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Trump throwing his toys out of the pram

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suziewoozie Thu 08-Oct-20 13:48:09

Won’t do a virtual debate - should be empty chaired. Good news

Whitewavemark2 Fri 23-Oct-20 18:50:00

Lucca

maddyone

I’ll be happy to be able to watch the news and not see Trump. I don’t believe he will win this time round, I hope I’m right. However, I don’t much care for Biden either, but he’s the lesser of two evils. I’m glad I’m not American, I wouldn’t want to vote for either of them.

Do you mean the American voters are between Scylla and Charybdis?

?????

varian Fri 23-Oct-20 19:06:44

If I were an American I would have no hesitation about voting for Biden, I would actively campaign for Biden because he is a decent man, although not the most inspiring candidate that the Democrats might have chosen. Surely almost anyone would be better than Trump?

maddyone Sat 24-Oct-20 11:34:41

Haha Lucca, I guess I do grin

bjane02 Sun 25-Oct-20 12:47:16

I live in the US. I really truly hope we don’t have another 4 years of this nonsense. Trump didn’t even win the popular vote last time around. I surely hope he doesn’t skate by like he did last time.

I’m embarrassed for my country. I just can’t believe so many people in the US support him.

rosecarmel Sun 25-Oct-20 18:35:20

Trump is the end result of failures of past administrations-
He's the icing on the cake-

varian Sun 25-Oct-20 18:52:05

Today, whilst Trump told his followers at an election rally that Biden was "against God", Joe Biden went to church as usual.

rosecarmel Tue 27-Oct-20 03:56:29

Biden is trailing in Texas according to some new reports, a state that has the second largest electoral college in the country-

Amy Coney Barrett was sworn in to the Supreme Court this evening- One Republican voted against her, Susan Collins of Maine-

California v Texas, the case challenging the ACA (Obamacare) is schedule for November 10th in Supreme Court-

Excerpt:

The Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) future continues to be uncertain as the law’s constitutionality will once again be considered by the U.S. Supreme Court in California v. Texas1 (known as Texas v. U.S. in the lower courts). Oral argument is scheduled for Tuesday, November 10, 2020. This ongoing litigation challenges the ACA’s minimum essential coverage provision (known as the individual mandate) and raises questions about the entire law’s survival. The individual mandate provides that most people must maintain a minimum level of health insurance coverage; those who do not do so must pay a financial penalty (known as the shared responsibility payment) to the IRS. The individual mandate was upheld as a constitutional exercise of Congress’ taxing power by a five member majority of the Supreme Court in NFIB v. Sebelius in 2012.

In the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), Congress set the shared responsibility payment at zero dollars as of January 1, 2019, leading to the current litigation. In December 2019, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit affirmed the trial court’s decision that the individual mandate is no longer constitutional because the associated financial penalty no longer “produces at least some revenue” for the federal government.2 But, instead of deciding whether the rest of the ACA must be struck down, the 5th Circuit sent the case back to the trial court for additional analysis. However, the Supreme Court has now agreed to review the case.

The ACA remains in effect while the litigation is pending. However, if all or most of the law ultimately is struck down, it will have complex and far-reaching consequences for the nation’s health care system, affecting nearly everyone in some way. A host of ACA provisions could be eliminated, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions, subsidies to make individual health insurance more affordable, expanded eligibility for Medicaid, coverage of young adults up to age 26 under their parents’ insurance policies, coverage of preventive care with no patient cost-sharing, closing of the doughnut hole under Medicare’s drug benefit, and a series of tax increases to fund these initiatives.

www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/explaining-california-v-texas-a-guide-to-the-case-challenging-the-aca/

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 07:04:19

Obama needs to go and give the Biden supporters a boost in Texas!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 07:14:05

Biden is ahead in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan. Not sure about a Texas tbh. I think Biden May still be ahead.

Harris is visiting Texas on Friday, so they may well have that state in sight for the final push.

Must look at a Florida.

rosecarmel Tue 27-Oct-20 07:29:54

Here's a link to the electoral college map:

www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map.html#!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 07:41:22

Thanks for that. We have a similar one in the Financial Times.

What people may not appreciate is that the presidential election will directly affect the U.K. to a much larger extent now than it ever did whilst we were part of a huge economic block. We are much more subject to the vagaries of other countries elections and the colour of their politicians and leaders now.

Whilst members of the EU we had the strength for it not to worry us.

MaizieD Tue 27-Oct-20 07:46:52

rosecarmel, why do Americans loathe the idea of universal health care?

The ACA is going to be struck down, isn't it?

Curlywhirly Tue 27-Oct-20 08:01:01

MaizieD I also can't get my head around why a civilised country wouldn't want universal health care.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 08:01:07

It always seems to be sold to them as socialism. But it can’t be as simple as that surely?

grannyrebel7 Tue 27-Oct-20 08:05:44

I'm with Susiewoozie all the way on this one! I really hope this narcisistical megalomaniac doesn't win again. Just watched people in the queue in the US waiting to vote dancing! Imagine that happening in this country! It would never happen, we're too uptight. That's what I love about Americans they just don't care what others think. Sorry I digress, shame about Biden making a mistake with Trump's name and calling him George. Only caught the tail end of this, but it makes him look incompetent and purpetuates the theory that he's too old for the job. Strange that it's never mentioned that he's only a few years older than Trump.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 08:13:59

grannyrebel7

I'm with Susiewoozie all the way on this one! I really hope this narcisistical megalomaniac doesn't win again. Just watched people in the queue in the US waiting to vote dancing! Imagine that happening in this country! It would never happen, we're too uptight. That's what I love about Americans they just don't care what others think. Sorry I digress, shame about Biden making a mistake with Trump's name and calling him George. Only caught the tail end of this, but it makes him look incompetent and purpetuates the theory that he's too old for the job. Strange that it's never mentioned that he's only a few years older than Trump.

The interviewer was called George! It is a another overblown incident

lemongrove Tue 27-Oct-20 08:39:05

varian

If I were an American I would have no hesitation about voting for Biden, I would actively campaign for Biden because he is a decent man, although not the most inspiring candidate that the Democrats might have chosen. Surely almost anyone would be better than Trump?

What’s happening varian I am in full agreement with you again.?

varian Tue 27-Oct-20 09:49:07

There's hope for you yet lemon!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 10:23:54

Just looking at the FT polls.

Biden on 207 solid
66 leaning

Trump on 83 solid
42 leaning

Undecideds stand at 140 seats.

The candidates need 270 to win.

Biden is on 273
Trump on 125.

?????

MaizieD Tue 27-Oct-20 10:37:14

What if neither of them gets 270 on the day?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 10:40:49

I think we are all guilty of believing what we want to believe

(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
How fake news works. Biden was widely reported to have mistakenly thought he was running against George Bush. But the truth was he was being interview by George Lopez. That was who he was referencing.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 27-Oct-20 10:43:50

MaizieD

What if neither of them gets 270 on the day?

I don’t know. Is it possible to have a dead heat? Or are there smaller parties you can vote for?

What is certain though is if Biden wins, Trump is going to drag everything he possibly can through the courts and if course he has a republican majority. I’m not sure if that will make a difference.

A Biden win will nor resolve the issue of Trump.

varian Tue 27-Oct-20 11:23:20

The best possible result would be a clear Biden win, ideally with victories in Florida and Texas.

I've no idea whether that could happen.

Fennel Tue 27-Oct-20 12:19:26

How do they calculate the numbers in each electoral college?
state population?

GillT57 Tue 27-Oct-20 12:47:23

It always seems to be sold to them as socialism.This is quite likely. A couple of years ago, during that horrible emotional case where the young couple wanted GOSH to continue medical treatment for their child against medical advice, Farage popped up on US television telling viewers that 'letting babies die' was part and parcel of a socialist medical system. Shocking and disgusting. The fact that many people believed this does explain why very disadvantaged voters with poor health, housing, work and education prospects will vote for the very party responsible for perpetuating this system. I think Trump is a frightening man, and Biden is a weak, although decent man and I am amazed that these two are the best that the USA can come up with. I just hope, for the sake of GB, that Biden wins.

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