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The end of British farming?

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biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 10:34:50

Despite promises during Brexit campaign that UK standards in farming, feeds, husbandry, antiotics and other injected chemicals, etc- would not change, and indeed improve beyond EU standards - now we have it. Voted by a majority of Tory MPs.

Worse is, that the vast majority of British farmers actually voted for Brexit.

biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 10:38:32

Did anyone watch the programme on farming in the USA on Channel 5 last night. Absolutely terrifying.

Alexa Tue 13-Oct-20 11:21:17

Yes, I watched it and I felt fearful about what our government has let us in for.

There will be rich people who can afford decent food, but the ordinary supermarkets will stock nothing but cheap hormone beef and chlorine chicken.

America is a disaster zone and we are about to attach ourselves to its immoral and ultimately self destructive form of capitalism.

Calendargirl Tue 13-Oct-20 11:22:04

I watched a very interesting programme on Sunday night about how British farming has evolved since the 1930’s.
It was a repeat, made about 2009 I think.
Featured the EC, Milk Marketing Board (Milk being the main focus of the programme), subsidies, how little farmers were having to diversify or go bust...
Part Two next Sunday, BBC4, 7pm.

MaizieD Tue 13-Oct-20 11:26:22

The irony at the moment appears to be that, although the government are pinning their hopes on a trade agreement with the US (hence the willingness to lower food standards) if Biden wins the Presidency he's not showing much enthusiasm for pursuing a trade deal with the UK.

Sarnia Tue 13-Oct-20 11:28:51


Did anyone watch the programme on farming in the USA on Channel 5 last night. Absolutely terrifying.

I watched it and as you say, terrifying. The conditions, injections and pesticides used in their food and crop production are all illegal here and in the EU. What disappoints me as much as this programme is the Government promising protection for our farmers and growers and saying they will not compromise on our high standards, then do yet another U-turn and vote against it. It doesn't bode well for our fisherman.

Dinahmo Tue 13-Oct-20 11:30:54

MaixieD let's hope that Biden gets in because if there are difficulties over trade deals then it might make some of the new intake of Tory MPs actually think about the consequences of Brexit. It's obvious that there are no sunny uplands in sight.

Nancy Pelosi has said that any covid vaccine produced in the UK will have to have stringent tests in America because she doesn't trust ours.

biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 11:35:49

What is so upsetting too, is seeing people like Prue Leith, and many others, who advocated for Brexit- and who now say they are so concerned for the future of British farming and food standards which will affect our health and so much more.

It is so so hard not to say 'you were clearly warned, again and again- and you just called it 'scare mongering' and 'project fear.

NannyJan53 Tue 13-Oct-20 11:43:55

Project fear is starting to become project reality!

paddyanne Tue 13-Oct-20 12:03:10

America wont trade with us if we mess with the Good Friday Agreement ,they have already said thats the case.Thet were very proud of their part in bringing peace to NI and the massive Irish poulation in the states wont forgive them if they see it reversed by Brexit

GillT57 Tue 13-Oct-20 12:09:14

That's right Paddyanne and that is another one of many reasons that we really need to hope that Trump gets defeated. I am so angry this morning about this Agriculture Bill defeat although why I should be surprised when they have blatantly gone back on every manifesto promise they made. Utter utter bastards.

biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 12:11:40

and traitors in the true sense of the word sad

biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 12:12:30

how anyone, absolutely anyone- left, right or centre, can still support them- is beyond belief and understanding.

biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 12:17:59

It also means that the EU will not trade with us - as they will not accept exports from UK that do not conform to the same standards- be it on husbandry, feed, antiobics and other injected chemicals, etc, etc. And that whatever happens, there MUST be a proper border between EU and UK- including between Ireland and NI/UK- so that those products do not enter the EU food chains by the back door.

GillT57 Tue 13-Oct-20 12:21:19

Yes Biba. I am so bloody angry......I have just sent an email to my MP who has of course voted for this despite being in an agricultural constituency. Any of the usual Johnson supporters like to tell us this is all for the best?

Riverwalk Tue 13-Oct-20 12:42:16

Minette Batters (NFU) was being pushed by an interviewer to say why she wants farming standards written into law, rather than rely on government assurances.

She couldn't quite bring herself to say the obvious!

Davidhs Tue 13-Oct-20 12:45:41

I didn’t watch it because I know what happens and the UK can’t compete with the methods or the scale.

It doesn’t matter who is elected if we have a free trade deal the negotiators will screw every cent out of the UK. It’s just as much in the Democrats interest to get the best deal for the US.

MerylStreep Tue 13-Oct-20 12:47:32

The eu can't be that bothered about US meat because in November 2019 the parliament voted 457-140 ( 71 abstentions) to allow the US to import more beef into the eu market.

MaizieD Tue 13-Oct-20 12:50:00

I think you'll find that any US meat that the EU allows in is subject to the EU food standards.

biba70 Tue 13-Oct-20 12:53:04

Indeed- whereas this Government intends to allow any meat, as it is the price they are requested to pay by Trump- who does now hold all the cards and can dictate wat he want to us.

Davidhs Tue 13-Oct-20 12:56:06

Minnette Batters can only go so far in confronting the government because she still has to get the best deal in the new order, even if that does reduce many farmers to park keepers.

Riverwalk Tue 13-Oct-20 13:03:20


I think you'll find that any US meat that the EU allows in is subject to the EU food standards.

Yes, Maizie up to know it has had to meet EU regulations - there are a number of restaurants in London that proudly sell USDA meat.

However, this meat is not the US norm - it's been reared to meet certain export standards.

The US norm does not meet our requirements, currently.

EllanVannin Tue 13-Oct-20 13:15:58

I'm surprised that no-one looked at this side of our economy when putting their X to vote for Brexit.

Why did people vote Brexit ? Give us Remainers the honest truth !

I can't understand why farmers did shock Their livelihood is at stake.

Then you have the NI Peace Agreement at risk.

MayBee70 Tue 13-Oct-20 13:23:38

A lot of brexit voters were swayed by farmers putting huge placards in their fields saying ‘give us our country back‘. Yorkshire was plastered with them. So it’s no wonder non farmers didn’t equate brexit with damage to farming. Also, most of the talk was about fishing which contributes diddly squat to the economy.

Daisymae Tue 13-Oct-20 15:32:29

This is why they wanted to get Brexit done at any cost. It's all about money, nothing to do with autonomy. Talk about being sold a pup