Starmer calling for lockdown (Edited by GNHQ)

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

Oh dear!

growstuff

*Please don't make excuses for this appalling behaviour. Their parents are partly responsible for the way they brought them up not knowing the difference between right and wrong. I don't think the anti-lockdown brigade would advocate them 'Getting on with their lives' in such a mindless, selfish manner and I don't think this behaviour is typical of people brought up in respectable families.*

What a load of nonsense! I know plenty of young people who were brought up in "respectable families" (as was I) but they and I did foolish things when young.

I take it you reject the herd immunity theory Janpt.

That doesn't surprise me !!

If you mean crowds of idiotic morons risking catching the virus we'll soon know but by then the N.H.S. will be overwhelmed and many innocent people will have died.

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

I taught in a school in a town practically famous for its respectability. I can tell you that bad behaviour in young people from what you would term respectable families is not automatic !! Often it’s worse as it is accompanied by arrogance !

growstuff it’s so annoying when you see other people openly flouting the guidelines.

I am not on Facebook but, on the local Next Door page there are some who genuinely think that if and when there is a Covid vaccine it will contain some sort of chemical chip/tracer along with the usual it’s all a scamdemic fools.

Local area lockdowns in risk risk areas but not in areas of low risk. Seems to me it’s the University towns where more restrictions need to be put in place.

For those who don't see the relevance of the 1957 Asian flu epidemic.
I think the poster who started that suggested that the reason it didn't seem to last long was because in those days our resistance/ immunity levels were higher.

138 new deaths have been announced today. Just been having a "discussion" with somebody who thinks it's government propaganda - and only those over 60 with underlying conditions die anyway.

After I was called a Conservative shill (oh, the irony), I politely pointed out that I'm over 60 and have underlying health conditions, so presumably my death wouldn't matter. It's shut her up for the moment.

Lucca

Janpt

Whitewavemark2

“respectable families” there is a phrase I haven’t heard since the 60’s??

MORES THE PITY !!!!

I taught in a school in a town practically famous for its respectability. I can tell you that bad behaviour in young people from what you would term respectable families is not automatic !! Often it’s worse as it is accompanied by arrogance !

I wouldn't describe arrogance as a definition of a respectable family but as you say one which produces the over indulged badly behaved young people we now see. The drunken louts leaving pubs, congregating in crowds and adding to the spread of the virus.

Fennel

For those who don't see the relevance of the 1957 Asian flu epidemic.
I think the poster who started that suggested that the reason it didn't seem to last long was because in those days our resistance/ immunity levels were higher.

But they weren't. It was a novel virus and there was no immunity, although it's been suggested (not proved) that some old people had some immunity from the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic. It had no connection with having survived WW2.

I gave the wrong impression- never intended to mean that because I lived throuh WW2 my immunity was stronger.
Do you think the modern dependece on antibiotics has weakened our natural resistance to viruses?

I thought antibiotics had no effect on viruses.

Ilovecheese

I thought antibiotics had no effect on viruses.

They don't. They have no effect at all.

I don't know there is any evidence that we are less resistant to viruses. I do know that "lifestyle" illnesses are bigger killers than infectious diseases in the developed world.

Despite the concern about obesity, which threatens to stall the increase in life expectancy, people in the UK live longer and are healthier and taller than any time in the past. It's scandalous that there is such a big difference between poorer and richer areas and totally preventable.

“ I wouldn't describe arrogance as a definition of a respectable family”. Janpt, I didn’t say that.

Antibiotics only kill bacteria, not viruses.

An interesting article about the Asian Flu epidemic, in which 20,000 people in the UK died.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31201-0/fulltext#:~:text=By%20the%20time%20this%20influenza,more%20than%201%20million%20deaths.

It seems the government didn't realise how serious it would be. As there wasn't much they could do anyway, they decided to play the whole thing down.

I was 16 and working in an East London Hairdressers in 1957, but have absolutely no memories of any effect on my life by the Flu Epidemic that was around then.
In 1968 as the Pandemic of Asian Flu killed (it is said 50 million people worldwise), I was at a mature students teaching college, in the heart of East London. Again, no memory of it effecting my life in any way.
Do not think anybody aged from about 4 or 5yrs upwards who has lived through 2020 will be able to say they cannot remember any effect on their lives.
Do wonder at this, is it because the world is so much smaller now? news is so much more instantaneous? social media, or governments acting on knee jerk reactions.
In neither of these was there anything like the closing down of the economy as has been this time.

I was with my mother this afternoon, I took her shopping. She is 92 years old. I asked her if she remembers the Asian flu epidemics and she said no, she didn’t remember. It makes me think that although many people died that normal life went on as usual, otherwise she’d remember.

I wonder how our cities here would respond to a 9-6 curfew,
As various French cities are putting in place?!
Mind you, their police are armed.

I don’t remember Asian flu, but then I was probably more concerned with my hoola hoop, whip ‘n’ top and jigsaws at the time, so possibly nobody I knew became ill with it, amongst the family or neighbours.
We didn’t have a tv, only a radio, which wasn’t switched on much anyway.

* JenniferEccles* Sensible post. I agree.

Pity people don’t spend more time supporting the government, following the advice and trying to help beat this virus and protecting each other

I think a curfew would be a good idea. It would have stopped what happened in Liverpool the other night.

Do people remember the polio epidemics though if they weren’t personally affected by them? I don’t but my ex does because his mum had polio and they had to go to the hospital each day to see if her name was on a list of fatalities that was put outside the gate each day.

I honestly don’t think it would Maddy

I remember the polio epidemic because it did affect my life, swimming pools were closed and you were warned not to eat ice cream which was devastating in the summer. Also we got two lots of vaccine because the oral vaccine was just operational I had the injection and just a short time later the sugar lump I was really cross because I had had to have the injection at all.