Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

LauraNorder

German, Italian and Dutch businesses want a deal to be done. They will put pressure on their governments. The Germans will put pressure on the posturing Macron and a deal will be done at the eleventh hour.
However if this doesn’t transpire, no deal will be better than a weak deal.
I would vote to be an independent nation with friendly international relationships every time.
Coronavirus has made everything so much tougher worldwide but I firmly believe in my country’s ability to thrive.
I am aware that there will be bumps in the road as always with big changes but we will iron things out as we go along and I believe we will prosper.,
I also believe that this government have big ambitions for our country and once we have Covid under control we will begin to see good things happen.

Your rhetoric seems straight out of Trumps note book

I’m another one who voted to Leave and I still think a deal will be struck. It’s not quite 23:55hrs yet....
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If Johnson had been serious about CETA he would have extended transition and been having in depth talks now about the details which took the Canadian deal 7 years. That way the EU could accept lower standards of our products, which is what apparently is the meaning of taking back control.

Quite possibly it would take less than 7 years , but certainly more than months.

What we need however in order to save our farming industry is something more than ceta, we need the ability to sell our beef and lamb tariff free because without that our countryside will change beyond recognition.

^ Your rhetoric seems straight out of Trumps note book^

I thought we were being encouraged not to descend into vitriol WW?

I do notice it’s always the Remainers who jump on any Leaver posts! Why can’t we too comment ‘unmolested’?
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There is also the strong possibility of the reunification of Ireland and Independence for Scotland - both these Countries remaining in the EU, which is what they voted for in the EU referendum. This would leave England isolated - 'standing alone' (as was often erroneously claimed re WW2). Think about that for a moment - Scottish/Irish produce, beef, power, fish, water, oil, etc being sold in the EU tariff free and imports likewise. Plus access to all the free trade deals already extant in the EU.

The good thing is though that no one seems to have taken Johnson seriously over his “no deal” rhetoric.

I think that it has been accepted that the silly bugger had to somehow save face over his demand that everything to be finalised by this week or else it is no deal.

Another Johnson statement has bitten the dust.

Urmstongran

^ Your rhetoric seems straight out of Trumps note book^

I thought we were being encouraged not to descend into vitriol WW?

I do notice it’s always the Remainers who jump on any Leaver posts! Why can’t we too comment ‘unmolested’?
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Sheer frustration at stupidity ug. It bursts out occasionally.

ug in any case some including yourself would take it as a compliment I would have thought?

Our views are too worthless to even be discussed because we're stupid I'll educated racist, homophobic, not on the far left, everything in fact that only deserves patronising contempt!

Enjoy your day one and all!

I am not stupid.
I just voted differently to you WW.
That’s annoying but there you go.
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Personal insult demeans an argument.
I’ve answered the question posed and won’t take part in a vitriolic descent as requested by the original poster

I hold my hand up to knowing little about the details of EU negotions.
However I can see that if a member drops out of a club they are in the weaker position when trying to bargain for the right to still use some of the facilities!
As for believing or trusting the current PM ...nope don't get that at all. He is not a man I could ever respect or admire..on any level.

Merkels remarks yesterday

I can see that the UK wants a small amount of independence

That sums up the negotiating position of the EU, patronising!!

French, Italian and German business chiefs have warned in an open letter that “the risk of a no deal is real. It would lead to cascading consequences for our businesses as well as for our citizens: customs duties, controls, bureaucracy, delays, blockages, outsourcing and so on.”

The Presidents of Medef, Confindustria, and the BDI groups went on to say: “In this historical momentum, we appeal to collective intelligence so that this partnership can be established on a confident and solid foundation.”

A deal is highly likely I think!

MayBee70:
I rather envy people that have faith in Johnson and his government of yes men.

Agree, but blind faith is just that – blind. A government that I would trust would be one that respects democracy and therefore doesn't try to circumvent it at every turn, is truthful, does not resort to bombast and hyperbole, is transparent and delivers what it promises.

Doesn't describe our present government, does it?

Well, it certainly doesn't describe the EU!!!! Transparent?!!! never mind the rest of your description! Surely you're having a laugh

I didn't know the EU was a government of a country. Whataboutery again. Please explain instead how you think our government is behaving.

That comment from Angela Merkle posted by Urmstongran exactly sums up why our negotiators are having such a problem securing a deal.

What part of us now being an independent country don’t they understand?

GrannyGravy13

Merkels remarks yesterday

I can see that the UK wants a small amount of independence

That sums up the negotiating position of the EU, patronising!!

But isn’t that the truth?

Want independence, but want the benefits of low to no tariffs. Want most of the perks with zero drawbacks.

I don’t think it’s patronising, no. Just the truth as it looks to others

I liked this

The problem that will always face the UK is that trade agreements, particularly with bigger prospective partners, such as the US, China, India & the EU will always involve some loss of sovereignty. It's a fact of life. We will never be 'independent' in the way that the Brexiters see it.

Me too Laura Norder Thats exactly what I want for my country I would vote to be an independent nation with friendly international relationships every time.

Shame that the dictator in WM has decided he wont ALLOW Scotland a new referendum when the circunstances have clearly changed...we were promised the only way to stay IN the EU was voting NO ...62% of us voted to Remain .

Now we're being dragged out against our will by a PM who was voted for by only 9000 scottish members of a tory party we haven't voted into power snce the 1950's thats THE NINETEEN FIFTIES ..where is democracy?
Certainly not in your version of "Great Britain" which is only great because its the largest island in the group ...not for any other reason .IF this is really a UNION why do WE need the permission of England when they didn't ask our permission for Brexit?

I suppose we could have an independent country. We'd have to close the borders of course, so no foreign travel. We'd need cheap food so lots of US rubbish dumped on us. Our living standards would plummet and we'd have low paid, insecure employment. The brightest and the best would leave for other places. There will be tax avoidance schemes people can't get away with in the EU, so some will prosper. Human rights will go down the drain of course and access to the justice system will require lots of money.
But there you are No deal, Bad deal or Any deal. It doesn't really matter now we are screwed anyway.

I voted against entering the Common Market and I voted for leaving the EU, nothing that has been said on this post has convinced me to my mind. I have just watched an interesting interview on Sky News when a gentleman experienced in international negotiation, cited many instances of a seeming deadlock resulting in compromise, satisfactory to both parties.