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Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

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grannyactivist Fri 16-Oct-20 12:20:43

Can I ask what the GN leave voters think about this without the thread descending into vitriol please?

Urmstongran Sun 18-Oct-20 17:50:54

Actually - no one voted to leave with no trade agreement because the referendum question did not include any reference to the manner of leaving or what type of trade agreement could be secured.

The referendum question was simply "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?”

Not "if you think the UK should leave the EU, how?" witha list of options.

How the UK left the EU and what type of trade agreement it secures are solely the province of parliament and government.

Urmstongran Sun 18-Oct-20 17:07:16

Only a quarter (25%) of Scottish whisky distilleries are actually owned by Scottish companies! In fact, there are only a few large companies behind most of the whisky that you drink.
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Whitewavemark2 Sun 18-Oct-20 15:28:50

Division, division, all is division.

MaizieD Sun 18-Oct-20 13:13:43

Is Chesham 20 miles from London is what I want to know..

growstuff Sun 18-Oct-20 12:36:41

Fish and ducks make a difference from bendy bananas. hmm

Whitewavemark2 Sun 18-Oct-20 10:36:56

MayBee70

I cant believe that we’re in the middle of a pandemic facing a no deal brexit and we’re discussing ducks and fish.....

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paddyanne Sun 18-Oct-20 10:29:01

with the internal market bill you wont know where any of your food comes from so your Aylebury duck may well come from China!!The rebranding of Scottish produce is underway ,Union flags adorn meat and other produce that is Scottish.May seem petty but Scotland the brand is renowned for quality worldwide .85% of People in Scotland will only by beef for instance that is labelled Scotch Beef,As for our national drink having a butchers apron on it and branded as British Scotch whisky will do massive damage to the industry .
As Whisky alone is 25% of all food and drink exports in the "UK" maybe Bojo and the circus at WM will realise they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.They wont SELL the hard stuff without its place of origin being visible .ANYONE can make whisky but only Scotland makes Scotch and it earns £60 a SECOND for the UK as its not counted n Scotlands GDP ....go figure that!!

trisher Sun 18-Oct-20 10:15:02

Come on Maybe70 we are reclaiming Britain for our ducks and fish. I've been so worried about them. Never mind human rights or anything else I want to know if my duck is a genuine Aylesbury (maybe it can have a blue passport).

MayBee70 Sat 17-Oct-20 22:22:35

I cant believe that we’re in the middle of a pandemic facing a no deal brexit and we’re discussing ducks and fish.....

growstuff Sat 17-Oct-20 22:02:34

merlotgran

WW Not unless it is being sold as a particular breed of duck that is only produced on that farm.

But that breed of duck is produced on other farms. It sounds like it's in this producer's interests to claim his ducks are the only pure bred ones.

What legislation is involved anyway?

growstuff Sat 17-Oct-20 21:58:39

I'm not arguing. I'm genuinely curious because I don't understand the issue. This producer can presumably charge high prices because his ducks are bred near Aylesbury, even though you can buy the same breed of ducks all over the place. What's the problem? And what the heck does it have to do with the EU?

merlotgran Sat 17-Oct-20 21:46:08

Why would he want to sell them to a wholesaler

I didn't say he would.

I don't have any more to add. As my father used to say, 'Some people would happily argue the hind legs off a donkey!'

A rare breed donkey, I hope.

growstuff Sat 17-Oct-20 21:41:19

merlotgran

Whitewavemark2

I mean if I can go online this minute and buy Aylesbury prepared duck then what is he saying?

It means that unless it is bred and produced on his farm it is 'English White Farmed Duck' which is often called Aylesbury Duck but is not the genuine rare breed.

But that's not because they're bred near Aylesbury. Apparently most of the white meat ducks (apart from this one farm) are crossbreeds.

growstuff Sat 17-Oct-20 21:38:19

merlotgran

Yes. He can sell in London via his own outlet but he can't sell to somebody else (as a wholesaler) who then retails the product.

Is it really so difficult to understand?

Well, yes it is. I honestly don't understand. Aylesbury ducks are a breed and I found they can be bought all over the country, but there is only one commercial producer, who's in Chesham.

Why would he want to sell them to a wholesaler? Why can't he? Which law stops him?

merlotgran Sat 17-Oct-20 20:58:13

Yes. He can sell in London via his own outlet but he can't sell to somebody else (as a wholesaler) who then retails the product.

Is it really so difficult to understand?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 17-Oct-20 20:55:48

Do you mean that they do like?

Nandalot Sat 17-Oct-20 20:54:31

Merlotgran, I can’t get your link to work. The one I found is the same as Growstuff’s.
aylesbury.duckfarm.co.uk/richard/waller/home
This is the same man as your link and he sells in London. He was on Rick Stein apparently.

MaizieD Sat 17-Oct-20 20:51:26

Whitewavemark2

growstuff

I'm a bit baffled. It would appear that there's only one producer of genuine Aylesbury ducks in the country. On the producer's website is stated, "We sell direct to the general public via farm gate sales and several farmers' markets in London". It doesn't state anywhere that the ducks can only be sold within 20 miles of Aylesbury.

It seems somewhat OTT to wreck a whole economy over ducks anyway. hmm

That’s what I saw and think.

I simply don’t believe it.

I suppose that we should just be thankful that, in a rather oblique fashion, a Brexit voter may have at last come up with an apparent EU law that they don't like (although not, perhaps, one that particularly affects them..)

Whitewavemark2 Sat 17-Oct-20 20:46:32

growstuff

I'm a bit baffled. It would appear that there's only one producer of genuine Aylesbury ducks in the country. On the producer's website is stated, "We sell direct to the general public via farm gate sales and several farmers' markets in London". It doesn't state anywhere that the ducks can only be sold within 20 miles of Aylesbury.

It seems somewhat OTT to wreck a whole economy over ducks anyway. hmm

That’s what I saw and think.

I simply don’t believe it.

growstuff Sat 17-Oct-20 20:41:08

I'm a bit baffled. It would appear that there's only one producer of genuine Aylesbury ducks in the country. On the producer's website is stated, "We sell direct to the general public via farm gate sales and several farmers' markets in London". It doesn't state anywhere that the ducks can only be sold within 20 miles of Aylesbury.

It seems somewhat OTT to wreck a whole economy over ducks anyway. hmm

merlotgran Sat 17-Oct-20 19:57:05

Who knows, WW

Whitewavemark2 Sat 17-Oct-20 19:50:56

What is interesting is that all the foods that are being produced in all the areas of the U.K. like Aylesbury ducks, Cornish Pasties Melton Mowbray pies etc will brexiters be scrambling to get rid of the rules governing the production within a geographical area in order to be held out for sale as a particular product?

merlotgran Sat 17-Oct-20 19:48:29

Whitewavemark2

I mean if I can go online this minute and buy Aylesbury prepared duck then what is he saying?

It means that unless it is bred and produced on his farm it is 'English White Farmed Duck' which is often called Aylesbury Duck but is not the genuine rare breed.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 17-Oct-20 19:47:10

I’m watching “The Crown” before the next series comes out at the moment.

Sparkling Sat 17-Oct-20 19:47:03

Well said LauraNoder, a lot of people are only safe with what they know, cant bear change of any sort. We are resilient people, we will be able to manage are own affairs. Life is all about change and calculated risks, living without Brussels interference will be worth it. I have faith in my countrymen, the ones that voted leave, the people that were not listened to.