If Trump loses we must not assume that it is back to the old politics

Oh come on ug you are beginning to lose the plot!

Get a grip and try some critical thinking.

I just wonder how many Trump voters or BJ voters have been seduced by bonkers conspiracy theories.

Not me varian
?

Wonder how the debate will pan out tonight.

Actually that did make me giggle LHD!

Interesting article today in the Observer.

Talking about the USA election.

A couple of interesting points.

It is generally understood in Europe that Johnson is waiting to see the outcome of the election.

If Trump wins, Johnson will see it as history being on his side, and much more likely to push for a no deal, assuming ( I’m not entirely convinced by this) that Trump will be prepared to do a good deal with the U.K.

Secondly if Biden wins, Johnson May well be in difficulties for a few reasons.

First Biden will initially concentrate on rebuilding relationships with the Eu that Trump has trashed, as they are keen to remain friendly with one if the biggest economic blocks in the world.

Second, the democrats see Johnson as a populist and have watched how his government has behaved and see huge parallels with Trump. They are uniquely under impressed with the Johnson government, as the saw his early and continued friendship with Trump.

The UKs strong influence in Europe no longer exists, so it has very little to offer the USA.

Brussels will be back at the forefront of the USA’s thinking. The democrats think that brexit is madness and give it no support.

Biden believes that Johnson is imperilling the Irish peace process, and it outraged that Johnson has threatened peace in NI through no apparent reason.

Now it is clear that Johnson have been cooking up the books and planning for a hard No Deal Brexit all along. More than ever, it is essential that Trump loses- or we will be run from the USA and our NHS and agriculture gone.

Johnson, Cumming, ERG and Trump.

Putin, Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Crispin Odey and all the vultures of disaster capitalism

So, bets are out. Never have the results of the USA elections meant so much for the UK. Everything Johnson, Cummings and ERG have done so far, including wasting very valueable time and wasting the time of the EU- was done to wait for the USA elections, with the assumption Trump would win.

So, it Trump wins- Johnson will go for No Deal with Trump- totally alienating all our closest neighbours and markets- and selling our NHS and agricultural sector and standards with it.

Or - and Johnson and co are getting seiously worried- Biden wins and he will have us over a barrel- desperate and with no cards to play. Huge concessions will have to be made on Irish border, and workers rights, etc.

Or Biden just says 'NO not interested, bigger fish to fry' - and Johnson will have to go back to EU, without any cards, desperate for anything, and having alieanated them and even broken the Treaty he had signed with them in total dishonesty- thinking we will just chuck it when mate Trump wins. NOT a great prospect. Rock and a hard place, for sure.

And we, we will all pay for it, big time.

Seems Biden though George Bush was POTUS at present. On live tv he said ‘we mustn’t have 4 more years of George’. His wife Jill was seen to whisper ‘Trump’.

Worrying.
Such an old man (even with a facelift).

Urmstongran

Seems Biden though George Bush was POTUS at present. On live tv he said ‘we mustn’t have 4 more years of George’. His wife Jill was seen to whisper ‘Trump’.

Worrying.
Such an old man (even with a facelift).

Much more worrying for you ug is his attitude to NI and Brexit it.

He sees Johnson and a Populist Trumpian, and will not be particularly keen to support him.

It’s been said that if Trump loses this election he will stand again in 2024.

I can’t see him ever being accepted as a candidate. A one term president is a loser as far as politics is concerned. Certainly in Trump’s strange little world.

Huge conflicts of interests coming up if he wins apparently- This is dynamite

Trump has, in the past, declared bankruptcy numerous times to avoid paying back his loans (in fact, that's how he made his so-called 'fortune' back in the 1980s -- by taking out huge loans and then declaring bankruptcy so that he didn't have to pay them back).

Apparently, a huge chunk of his loans that will be coming due soon are to Deutsch bank (the biggest bank in Germany, so I've read) because no US banks would loan him money anymore. There is some talk about the Deutsch bank having sold those loans to Russian banks or something, but I'm not entirely sure if that has yet been confirmed (that he also owes money to Russia). He is also in debt to Chinese banks, though.

Trump Deutsche Bank Loans Underwritten By Russian State-Owned Bank, Whistleblower Told FBI
forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/...ower-told-fbi/

How Donald Trump became Deutsche Bank's biggest headache
www.theguardian.com/business...ggest-headache

Trump owes tens of millions to Bank of China
www.politico.com/news/2020/0...na-debt-205475

Urmstongran, I feel very cross about the way this has been reported about the "George" slip-up. Yes, obviously it was a slip, but it was part of a much longer piece and he was in conversation on the air with a caller who was called George. He was actually talking to a man called George.

Trump has also had slips like this. He was talking to "Tim Apple" once if you remember. Tim being the founder of Apple computers.

I do wish that the BBC at least had put this in context. It's as though they only watched the highly edited version put out by the trump campaigns team. ?

Then of course, as he continuously ridiculed Biden at his rally (in Pennsylvania I think), Trump mixed up the World Health Organization and the World Trade Organization!

President Donald Trump lashed out at "stupid" critics from within his own party and called for unity on Sunday after growing Republican criticism and warnings of a "bloodbath" in the November 3 election.

Mr Trump issued the comments as he and his Democratic opponent Joe Biden hit the ground in crucial swing states in the final stretch before an election that opinion polls show the real estate mogul is at serious risk of losing.

Speaking to a rally in the western state of Nevada, Mr Trump ranged from attacks on Mr Biden and boasts about his economic policies to discussions on bathroom water pressure and a shirt worn by the commissioner of the National Football League.

But he also addressed comments from Republican Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska, who recently told constituents Mr Trump "kisses dictators' butts", mistreats women and uses the White House as a business.

Other Republicans have warned of electoral losses in the polls that will include congressional races, including Senator Ted Cruz, who like Mr Sasse said there was a risk of a "bloodbath".

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/19/donald-trump-lashes-stupid-republican-critics-nevada-rally/

No matter what, it will be a sh!tshow next Wednesday, and the country will be even more divided

and we, without any say or vote- will be right in the middle of it.