We need a coup

I think we are deluding ourselves if we think this is a democracy any more. We are living in a dictatorship, they are chipping away at our human rights every day. Lockdowns do not work, neither does mask wearing in my opinion. This government was presented with the Barrington declaration consisting of eminent doctors and scientists who gave their views on this pandemic, did they listen? NO, preferring to take advice from Whitty and co. They have put the fear of god into people by careful psychological brainwashing. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that the figures of cases are grossly massaged and inflated with false positives. It’s as if they are lying to us and presenting the truth too which is glaringly obvious if we all looked at it properly, it’s as if in years to come they will say well the evidence was there you didn’t bother to look it’s your own fault. This is depopulation under the guise of climate control etc as a smoke screen. Many people have died from not getting treatment when needed and those in care homes, This could be stopped altogether if enough people took a stand.

lemongrove

MaizieD

lemongrove

Nobody has trotted out the trite phrase about jealousy!
Feel free to continue thinking so though.?

I have no reason to think that GagaJo is making it up, lemon.

See MaizieD .....in Gaga’s own words....no one used the actual word jealousy. You could have checked a few posts yourself of course to see that it wasn’t true.

I think and continue to think that no other Party would have done any better.Do you think all the governments of all the other countries, say, in the EU have done terribly? They have lost so many to thousands to Covid too.No matter what approach to the virus was taken, and it varied from country to country, it’s all been much the same and continues that way.
With any government they will get some things wrong,
And so very easy to be a constant armchair critic.....this year the government have had Covid to deal with and Brexit to negotiate.Any one of these things would have been a really difficult task for any political Party.
So....we shall have to agree to disagree.

You don't get to use Brexit as an excuse, its been self inflicted, sorry.

Do you think all the governments of all the other countries, say, in the EU have done terribly? They have lost so many to thousands to Covid too.

Yep, true. Number of deaths per thousand in the UK is 662. In France its 536. In the Netherlands 412 and in Italy 620. Spain, admittedly, stands at 743, so they are doing worse. Its not a competition, but in light of those statistics, do I think our government has mucked something up? Yes, I do. (Scotland by the way, 494)

With any government they will get some things wrong. Absolutely. But have they admitted that? Not that I'm aware of. Until recently Johnson was telling us it would all be over by Christmas. They lie and treat us like idiots. Today Matt Hancock told BBC Breakfast that Johnson has been communicating with Marcus Rashford, who then immediately said that wasn't true.

Then a government apologist says something dismissive and snide like "Feel free to continue thinking so though".

We get angry Lemon, we get angry.

Growstuff The total salary bill for 650 MPs @ £3,000 is £1,950,000 plus the extra that the prime minister and others get. Less that a tenth of the cost of a week of extra school meals. However, the impact on each of those 1.4 million children will be more than ten times the impact of £3K a year on the 650 well-fed MPs

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Oh, teachers on GN always have to work it into the conversation? and in this case it’s a ploy, as I have answered
Different posters with the appropriate content.
I rest my case that different views on politics are unwelcome unfortunately, and often resort to personal remarks.There may be some swearing next....using acronyms of course.
I’ll leave the echo chamber to get on with it.

"Mainstream", the anti-Corbyn led by ex-Labour MP Ian Austin was run by Public First, the Tory PR firm run by Rachel Wolf: She co-wrote the 2019 Tory Manifesto
Who funded Labours 2019 election loss
morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/playing-to-lose-who-funded-labour-2019-election-loss

Lots of underhand dealings here and the Tories are behind it.

MaizieD

^They must be very silent then. Perhaps they are not prepared to put themselves through the abuse dealt out by the left wingers on here.^

I think that they're probably very silent because the government doesn't do much that is admirable or defensible.

Does the Labour Party do anything that is admirable or defensible ? The behaviour of the Deputy Leader shows quite the opposite! The reason for the silence is as quoted above. The abuse of right wing posters on here is totally unacceptable and as it continues just shows where Gransnet stands on this. I will not use the word used by Rayner but the word I will use to describe many left wing posters on here is rough !

Janpt, my education to become a teacher took 5 years. A degree, a masters and then teacher training.

Additionally, you are not the one to accuse people of having bad manners. You are frequently very rude, 'the word I will use to describe many left wing posters on here is rough', and when this is pointed out to you, you claim to be getting bullied.

I would like to think everyone on here, regardless of education, is able to read with good comprehension. But for those that continually misinterpret, there has to be a reason. So either is that you want to twist what is written to fit your argument OR you are unable to comprehend and follow an argument.

Lemongrove misread and totally misunderstood my post. By all means have your own opinion, that is what this forum is for. But if you tell me I wrote something I didn't, you are wrong. Not me.

And true to form, Janpt is talking AGAIN about the Labour Party. A group that have no power. Why? It's pointless.

As a left winger (and possibly one of the most left on GN) I have asked questions about how the government has dealt with the covid epidemic and received no reply (unsurprisingly really). So I will try again Germany has an excellent track and trace system but they used public services and didnt outsource to private firms- Unlike in the UK, where the test and trace effort was centralised and largely outsourced to private companies, in Germany the effort relied on local public health services reinforced with redeployed civil servants and extra staff and supported by state institutions.
So in reply to the question about what a different government would have done- well there you have it a proper public health related service which a Labour government would have used.
So that's my "rough" response to all the genteel right wingers on here.
Proper public services, support for the poorest and not "spaffing" millions on private profit.

Incidentally there has been a long post about the language used by our PM, let's add "spaffing" to that list. After all if we are going to hold politicians to account for their language we should be even handed about it-'spaffing' or 'scum'- which is worse?

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1) I didn't mention LG's grammar.

2) I wrote about reading comprehension.

3) I didn't imply it was a lack of intelligence. I said it was a DELIBERATE misreading. Putting words into my mouth.

4) I don't have a massive ego. I am trying to debate with people I see as equals.

5) And GagaJo only mentioned the five years of study she did to become a teacher AFTER she had been told it only took one year.

Unfortunately Gagajo you will be fighting a losing battle. Debate on GN consists of right wingers going "Oh you left wingers are rough and being nasty". Possibly because they realise they have backed a losing horse and are trying todeflect rom the result by resorting to personal remarks

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I would just quite like it if those defending the government would address some or any of the issues raised. Numerous posters have mentioned the endless lists of inappropriate language used by johnson, how is he any different to angela rayner in this regard.

Honestly Lemon, Janpt, I am just appalled at a the rudeness on this thread to both of you on a personal level, and am amazed that either of you still attempt to offer other opinions let alone pursue them!!
My 95 year old aunt died on Saturday, in her excellent Care Home where she had been resident for two years. Yes, she died of Covid yes we are very upset as she was much loved by us all . No we are not blaming the government, no we will not be on TV or anywhere else accusing anyone of mismanagement, lack of judgement or anything else. As far as we are concerned, the government have done their best in very difficult unpresidented circumstances as has th Care Home! We had hoped she would get that telegram, but there you go! Boris didn't say the virus would be over by Xmas, he said he was determined to get the virus under control and be able to relax the rules for the holiday period. Other countries have had exactly the same problems as we have, but of course we're the only country to get any criticism! How very predictable particularly on here!

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Honestly Lemon, Janpt, I am just appalled at a the rudeness on this thread to both of you on a personal level, and am amazed that either of you still attempt to offer other opinions let alone pursue them!!
My 95 year old aunt died on Saturday, in her excellent Care Home where she had been resident for two years. Yes, she died of Covid yes we are very upset as she was much loved by us all . No we are not blaming the government, no we will not be on TV or anywhere else accusing anyone of mismanagement, lack of judgement or anything else. As far as we are concerned, the government have done their best in very difficult unpresidented circumstances as has th Care Home! We had hoped she would get that telegram, but there you go! Boris didn't say the virus would be over by Xmas, he said he was determined to get the virus under control and be able to relax the rules for the holiday period. Other countries have had exactly the same problems as we have, but of course we're the only country to get any criticism! How very predictable particularly on here!

Thank you for your message of support. It's quite lonely on here and I now see that Gransnet has deleted two of my messages. I think the whole site is left wing and I am out numbered. I'm sorry to hear about your aunt. It's such a sad time for so many people. Glad to hear that you are not blaming the government as so many do. They won't acknowledge what a very difficult job they have in dealing with this unprecedented situation.

Janpt

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thread obviously only for left wing views !!

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trisher

Unfortunately Gagajo you will be fighting a losing battle. Debate on GN consists of right wingers going "Oh you left wingers are rough and being nasty". Possibly because they realise they have backed a losing horse and are trying todeflect rom the result by resorting to personal remarks

Don't be so ridiculous. The only losing horses are the left wingers who can't accept that they lost the race !!