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PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 11:30:53

I noticed someone us the phrase virtual signaling on a thread.. It is on a par with politically correct.

It seems to me that people use these phrases, constructed deliberately as political put downs, to undermine someone /something that is trying to improve things for others.

Are the people who do this feeling uncomfortable or embarrassed by the action that they are deriding? If someone tries to to good by raising the profile of a charity or of a situation that is causing distress they are 'accused' of 'virtue signalling' as if it is a bad thing to try to improve things for other people.

If someone tries to improve the experience of others through challenging the status quo /currently accepted language/attitude etc they are 'accused' of being politically correct...as if it was a bad thing to be thoughtful of others!

Do these phrases grate with you or do you think they are valid?

Galaxy Mon 26-Oct-20 14:45:36

No they are not, most pubs run that type of promotion in half term holidays, it's a bog standard promotion to get people in the doors. The children only get free meals if the parents pay for their meals, that wont help the families that marcus rashford is campaigning for. Most business owners that are working with the rashford campaign are giving food away for free no expectation that you spend something in the business.

Oldwoman70 Mon 26-Oct-20 14:50:45

I always thought "virtue signalling" was when someone - usually a celebrity - made a point of saying, often on social media, that they supported this or that charity/cause etc. but didn't actually do anything.

suziewoozie Mon 26-Oct-20 14:57:40

I think the problem is Old that the phrase is now used indiscriminately. A Tory MP accused MR of vs when clearly he is working his socks off to help in a zillion practical ways. It’s a lazy use of language really and so often used now both sneeringly and inaccurately.

Dinahmo Mon 26-Oct-20 15:22:44

I quote -
"Janpt "I speak as someone who thought about any decisions we made and as a result we are fortunate just now not to have the problems you mention. I realize that that may not always be the case but hope we have covered most situations you mention although many no longer apply."^

Virtue signalling par excellence."^

Guilty as charged - used on the coup thread. I suppose I could have said she was blowing her own trumpet!

Callistemon Mon 26-Oct-20 16:09:04

I was accused of virtue signalling a while ago because I twice mentioned a small charity I support, thinking others on that thread might be interested.
So I never mention it now.

I may have used the term myself the other day but it wasn't about another Gransnetter or, indeed, about a footballer.

I learnt it on GN anyway.

janipat Mon 26-Oct-20 16:21:27

suziewoozie I just look at the people who employ the phrases do-gooders, politically correct, virtue signalling and it tells me all I need to know about them and their views on well, just about anything really. It also tells me about their lack of capacity for any critical thought.

also suziewoozie There’s plenty of vs on Gan - lovely example this morning - the amusing thing is that it’s often carried out by those who jump to criticise it in others.

Hmmm I'm a tad confused? You appear to be criticising people on GN for VS.

lemongrove Mon 26-Oct-20 16:21:28

Another put down phrase much used on the forum.....
Pearl clutcher

Galaxy Mon 26-Oct-20 16:24:35

I hate pearl clutcher its usually used against women raising concerns about the exploitation of women or children.

Alexa Mon 26-Oct-20 16:24:42

"This is just a friendly request" letter = pretending friendly

janipat Mon 26-Oct-20 16:30:32

Yes I hate pearl clutcher too.......it's such a sexist put down, never used against men.

Callistemon Mon 26-Oct-20 16:31:00

It's worrying when those who wear masks are accused of being virtue signallers as happened in the US.

Is it akin to moral grandstanding?

Phrases fall in and out of fashion.

PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 16:33:19

I always assumed a 'pearl clutcher' was referring to an older woman who overreacts to situations in an rather pretentious way. A bit of a Mrs Bucket character!

Any phrase used perjoratively is to be avoided!

janipat Mon 26-Oct-20 16:34:32

ageist as well as sexist, the double whammy!

Galaxy Mon 26-Oct-20 16:34:59

I usually see it in terms of women raising concerns about prostitution, porn etc.

suziewoozie Mon 26-Oct-20 16:37:42

I use the phrase ‘pearl clutches’ sometimes to posters who feign horror at ‘swearing’. I mean really, FFS.

Callistemon Mon 26-Oct-20 16:44:24

I just look at the people who employ the phrases do-gooders, politically correct, virtue signalling and it tells me all I need to know about them and their views on well, just about anything really. It also tells me about their lack of capacity for any critical thought.

That may well be true and the same may well be true of those who resort to swear words.

PECS Mon 26-Oct-20 16:49:41

Oh a whole range of people swear from the Queen to me! It crosses class and political values so harder to define the 'views' of a swearer!

suziewoozie Mon 26-Oct-20 16:51:13

Callistemon

^I just look at the people who employ the phrases do-gooders, politically correct, virtue signalling and it tells me all I need to know about them and their views on well, just about anything really. It also tells me about their lack of capacity for any critical thought.^

That may well be true and the same may well be true of those who resort to swear words.

Pray tell.

Callistemon Mon 26-Oct-20 16:52:46

Oh, I didn't say I don't, PECS!

But swearing at other posters on social media seems to indicate that the poster is either losing an argument or unable to articulate their thoughts clearly.

suziewoozie Mon 26-Oct-20 16:53:09

PECS

Oh a whole range of people swear from the Queen to me! It crosses class and political values so harder to define the 'views' of a swearer!

Exactly

lemongrove Mon 26-Oct-20 16:54:07

Using FFS to another poster is a lazy way to be critical.

suziewoozie Mon 26-Oct-20 16:55:25

Really ? I’m one of the most articulate posters on GN and rarely lose arguments

lemongrove Mon 26-Oct-20 16:56:39

....and modest too suzie ?

Callistemon Mon 26-Oct-20 16:56:47

Pray tell.

I did.

Callistemon Mon 26-Oct-20 16:57:43

And very humorous too, sw

???