Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

MaizieD re your post @17:22 today, the reason the Labour party lost the last election was because so many of their previous core supporters did not vote Labour.

Should it be that the Labour Party got fully behind core workers (especially manual) it may get once again the return support of those workers. As it stands to the very many thousands who work in distribution centres food retail etc on zero hours contacts or Gig Economy terms of working the Labour Party is a complete irrelevance in their lives.

But of course, to Starmers champagne sipping dinner party Labour group, to speak of such people working in such conditions is well below them. So, not a word in support is said.

So manual workers didn’t vote or voted tory

Anniebach

So manual workers didn’t vote or voted tory

Well, that would seem to be the case Anniebach. Had they voted Labour we may well have had now a very different government with the abolishment of zero hour contracts and Gig Economy working at its policy core.

MaizieD re your post @17:22 today, the reason the Labour party lost the last election was because so many of their previous core supporters did not vote Labour.

But you've been telling us that Corbyn (has he ever been a 'core worker'?) was 'on their side' and deeply concerned about them. If they're going to reject socialist Corbyn how is breaking away from the current LP and starting a truly socialist party going to attract them?

But of course, to Starmers champagne sipping dinner party Labour group, to speak of such people working in such conditions is well below them.

Jeez, you're not stereotyping at all, are you... ?

Honestly I continue to despair. The Corbyn lot just will not listen to those of us living in the so called "red wall seats". The traditional Labour vote didn't like Mr Corbyn. They made that clear when we canvassed. They didn't believe he would keep this country safe, didn't believe he respected our military or loved this country.
Mr Corbyn spent all his life on the back benches, voting endlessly against any Labour leader. He is an oppositionist.
Compromise is not part of his vocabulary.
He was elected leader and made a total mess of it. He should now either spend more time on his allotment (my preferred option) or retire to the bank benches and support the current leader. He and his gang expected Labour members and MP's to support him as leader without any disagreement. Follow his own expectation, that would be novel

True Iam Corbyn lost Labour the general election

The differences between men and womens posting styles on the internet are fascinating to me.
Just when the political threads had started to be vaguely interesting.

MaizieD ref your post @18:24 today, I am in favour of my trade union and other unions scrapping the funding of the present Labour Party as that money could then be used in the startup of a new socialist political organisation. It may well be that new party will never be elected to government, but it will be an organisation that truly represents working people who subscribe and fund that party.

History demonstrates that for over fifty years those that have funded this squabbling, bickering Labour Party have received nothing for all the funding they have put into it from their hard earned wages, therefore they have nothing to lose from their unions ceasing funding.

I am now off to work yet another night shift in a very large online order fulfilment centre on a zero hours contract and I certainly believe that the money I pay to maintain this excuse for a socialist party is giving me absolutely nothing. That situation I feel will continue to be the situation well into the foreseeable future.

So change is certainly required.
Goodnight.

Iam64 I agree with every word you wrote, but Corbynites are a bit like all those conspiracy theorists who believe that Trump was cheated out of a second term, 5G masts cause COVID or the COVID vaccine is a plot by Bill Gates to nanochip us all.

As my DH says. They have made up their minds, don't confuse them with facts.

It isn't "conspiracy theory" to think that te British press exerted negative influences on the public about Corbyn it is fact-https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-can-t-ignore-bias-a7144381.html
Of course those who consistently condemn Corbyn don't want to hear that. They prefer to think that the voters came to the same conclusions they did independently. Possibly because they are afraid of the real threat this poses to democracy.

Link
www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-mainstream-press-lse-study-misrepresentation-we-can-t-ignore-bias-a7144381.html

trisher I do appreciate that with your deep wisdom and knowledge you are above being influenced by the press or media. As a good socialist/Labour party member how do you reconcile this position with placing yourself in some superior intellectual sphere that excludes all us oiks?

Galaxy - yes indeedy, posting styles with some posters are remarkable similar gender or no gender

Ah I see M0nica respond to facts with unfounded accusations.
Have I said anywhere I am not influenced by the press or media? If I point out a hole in the road I will do my best to avoid it but may still have to drive over the edge of it. It doesn't mean the hole isn't there. And anyone not informed about the hole may drive through it.
It's rather inconsistent to claim people supporting Corbyn are like conspiracy theorists and then accuse someone of claiming intellectiual superiority simply because they show you a few facts. Unless of course you consider all conspiracy theorists intellectualy superior?

No, but if I understand your previous post you are saying that everyone who didn't vote Labour didn't do so because they were unduly influenced by the media, while you were one of the exceptions who could see through the media so voted for Corbyn.

I was certainly not influence by the media, my decision to leave the party and not to vote labour at the election was from
listening to Corbyn .

I didn't say "everyone" nor did I claim to be an exception. I did point out and give a link to a report which drew attention to the negative press coverage of Corbyn.
Incidently I think it is much more insulting to accuse people of being "like conspiracy theorists" because they support a certain politician than it is to think it is possible that negative press coverage worked against Corbyn. And I think ignoring that press coverage simply to score points or denigrate another poster is not only foolish but dangerous.

The thing about highlighting the issues of msm was that certainly as a strategy in the last election it was a mistake. Telling people that they are being misled by the media is I am afraid just another way of saying you are a bit stupid. Even if that wasnt how it was meant (and I am afraid many who use that trope did mean it that way) the result was treating people with disdain. If you continually tell your voters they are stupid then dont be surprised if they vote for someone else.

If you read the link about the media there was a concerted effort from the beginning no honeymoon period for Jeremy Corbyn There was attack dog so called journalism So the general public never heard a good word about the Labour leader It was drummed into them from the start. Why would they trust him? Then there were people who heard Jeremy speak at rallies or Social media joined Labour and became members. They supported Jeremy very much wanted a change better politics. But the elite the Establishment the billionaire newspaper owners could not let a socialist into to government better polices NHS etc So there will be a struggle for a socialist to get into power and change things for the better.

Brexit was the main driving force in deciding the last general election and the people in the north of England had voted heavily for Brexit in the first referendum and therefore wished to ensure in the manner they voted that those wishes would come about.

The squabbling bickering Labour Party with staff and senior members working against the elected leader was never going to override the desire of what had been traditional Labour supporters "to get Brexit done".

What now has to come about is to once again make the policies of the Labour party relevant to the lives of those who turned away from Labour at the last election. Problem is Labour is a party with no polices at the moment which are relevant to its traditional core working family support.

Poor old Jeremy Corbyn, everything that went wrong under his leadership down to the msm , attack dog journalists and don't forget, the 'false' anti semitism issues. Oh yes, then there were the people within the LP who worked against him. Of course JC spent his life working against labour leaders and is continuing that fine tradition , along with his supporters, right now.

No better example of the contempt for working class families than pretending to do a low wage job.

Galaxy

No better example of the contempt for working class families than pretending to do a low wage job.

Would you care to expand on that Galaxy, as your comment(s) in this thread make no sense whatsoever??????

Jeremy Corbyn fought and campaigned against all types of racism all his life. And when Blair brought privatisation PFI into the NHS Corbyn can been seen explaining on video why this was a bad idea. And he spoke out at rallies about the illegal war of Blair So in many instances Jeremy Corbyn was on the right side of history standing up for the many and speaking out and speaking up for what he believes in. Good for him

Corbyn called Hamas and Hezbollah his friends and labelling
Hamas a terrorist organisation was a really big, big historical
mistake !