Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Grany

Jeremy Corbyn fought and campaigned against all types of racism all his life. And when Blair brought privatisation PFI into the NHS Corbyn can been seen explaining on video why this was a bad idea. And he spoke out at rallies about the illegal war of Blair So in many instances Jeremy Corbyn was on the right side of history standing up for the many and speaking out and speaking up for what he believes in. Good for him

Well said Grany, never was a more true post made. ???

Defending Hamas was on the right side of history?

Annie Hammas is the elected party of government by the Palestinians and Hezbollah is the largest party in the elected government of Lebanon. Are you saying that neither of these countries has the right to choose its own democratic government?

So according to Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters he is whiter than white, the external enquiry have got it wrong, the whole MSM and Labour Party staffers were/are against him as were/are many many Labour Party MPs.

Sounds very Trumpian to me?

And the Conservative party is the elected party of government
of the U.K.

Yes there are some interesting parallels between the approaches. Although trump used the MSM thing in a different way, i.e we are all in this together, we alone can see the evils of the msm and must join together to defeat it. Whereas the approach from those supporting corbyn was we can see the evils of MSM but you (the working class) are too stupid to understand what we are trying to tell you.

Is this to be the last resort of the right wingers- accusing everyone of being like Trump supporters- weird isn't the word!
Annie I don't think anyone has said they weren't. They may be inefficient, ineffectual and corrupt but they are elected. Just as Hammas and Hezbollah are. So democracy is important and recognising elected authorities is essential.

I am fully aware of the failings of the Conservative Party and our PM, and have posted this.

Jeremy Corbyn seems to have cult like followers who truly believe he can/has done no wrong.

No I for one am not doing that trisher I am trying to have a discussion on different political strategies and the success or failure of them. I think trumps approach to the media worked for his base for a while, well actually still probably works for his base.
It wasnt just the left of labour who used that approach the lib dems did it as well. Unlike trumps approach it dodnt appeal to labour's base as it were.

Apologies for typos

It amazes me that some think I am condemning the working class (by the way I thought class war was over!!??). I'm simply pointing out that there was bias in the msm. If you choose to accept that or not is entirely up to you.
It is perhaps interesting that the situation of "The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists" still exists in 21 century Britain. I wonder was Robert Tressell vilified and accused of portraying the working class as stupid because he drew attention to their exploitation?

Political parties have always tried to manipulate the media for their own advantage, only now with the internet folks have access to much more news/opinions.

To say that the electorate is predominantly stupid for not voting for Corbyn/Labour is akin to a child having a tantrum and throwing their toys out of the pram .

Labour took the electorate for fools in the last two elections and it backfired massively, they should now unite behind Keir Starmer and become a credible opposition, with ideas and proposals as opposed to just dissing the Government.

I wasnt particularly talking about you trisher I was talking about the approach in general. I cant tell you how many times I have seen the words daily mail reader as a slur. The labour party and the lib dems for that matter need the votes of the daily mail readers. Someone really needs to get their head round that. Similar to the tedious trope of I wont be friends with a tory, for labour to be in power we need some of those tory voters to shift allegiance.

Labour took the electorate for fools in the last two elections and it backfired massively

Evidence, GG13?

And if we're talking of taking the electorate for fools what the hell did the tories do?

Well for a start, I have many friends who canvassed door to door (both Labour and Conservative) and time after time they were told, we will not vote for Labour whilst Jeremy Corbyn is leader, the fence sitting on Brexit along with taking for granted the votes in the North, just because they had always been Labour attitude did absolutely nothing to bring confidence to voters that voting for Labour was a vote for the good of the UK.

The party were showing signs of internal conflict during the election.

I was amazed at the size of the Conservative majority by the way, neither parties ran a good campaign in my opinion.

So if Starmer (a confirmed Remainer) had been leader do you think the result would have been different GG13? You see it's fine to criticise but if you re basically condemning without any solution then there isn't really much point is there?

trisher we are all entitled to voice our opinions on here and my opinion is equally as valid as anyone else’s!!

I do think that if KS had been leader at the last election at least the electorate would have known where he (and consequently the LP) stood. I also feel that with a different leader the LP would have secured more seats thereby reducing the Conservative majority and clipping their wings as it stands the Conservatives have got a free rein which even as a Conservative voter is in my opinion on occasions detrimental to UK democracy.

trisher

So if Starmer (a confirmed Remainer) had been leader do you think the result would have been different GG13? You see it's fine to criticise but if you re basically condemning without any solution then there isn't really much point is there?

Yes it very likely would have resulted in Labour doing better. The majority of Labour voters were Remainers.

But the constituencies in the North which changed their vote were mainly leave voters varian so Starmer wouldnot have won those seats.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion GG13 but just as you are free to question my opinion about MSM I'm free to question and ask about yours.

I think the labour party and well everyone to be honest made the mistakes about Europe decades ago. But it's easy to be wise after the event. The benefits of the EU should have be sung as loudly by the labour party as the bendy banana tune was sung by elements of the tory party.

GrannyGravy13

Well for a start, I have many friends who canvassed door to door (both Labour and Conservative) and time after time they were told, we will not vote for Labour whilst Jeremy Corbyn is leader, the fence sitting on Brexit along with taking for granted the votes in the North, just because they had always been Labour attitude did absolutely nothing to bring confidence to voters that voting for Labour was a vote for the good of the UK.

The party were showing signs of internal conflict during the election.

I was amazed at the size of the Conservative majority by the way, neither parties ran a good campaign in my opinion.

So, the LP wasn't actually taking the electorate for a ride, then?

Taking them for granted, which is what you've described, is a different matter altogether.

No comment on the 'oven ready deal' (which it's now attempting to renege on) and 'get Brexit done' ( that seemed to swing it for the tories?

I have made my feelings on leaving the EU clear on so many threads MaizieD.

I still think/hope that there will be a deal at the nth hour, which will be in the best interests of both the UK and the EU.

I am well aware of your 'feelings' on leaving the EU, GG13.

I'm also aware that we have left the EU, so thatt bit of the tory message has been fulfilled, but I don't think the leave voters were ever told by the tories that the cost would be exorbitant, the red tape would proliferate, Kent would become a gigantic lorry park which lorry drivers will need a permit to enter and that the GFA agreement would be breached...

So, taken for a ride... Or is that what tory voters really wanted to happen?

Do Corbyn supporters agree we may have remained if Corbyn
had agreed to take part in the tv debates and not gone on holiday

Annie Jeremy Corbyn actions during EU Refrendum ok quite busy then, for Remain. Say no more.

10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.
Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.
A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.
Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.
Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.
He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”."