Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

It would take a parliament or to, to get a majority, but that is better than the Conservatives having a monopoly of power.

M0nica, I could not agree more with your post at 20:40 today. The ending of the present Labour Party and the formation of a new independent Labour Party drawn from the left of the whole movement would be infinitely preferable to the squabbling, bickering disaster that Britain has now. It would be well funded with fresh leadership drawn from those in the movement who have working experience beyond the Westminster bubble.

So, two parties with clear policies for the left leaning in the electorate to select from. My suggestion that Starmer could stand down and seek re-election in my above post was only an alternative suggestion for those who wish to see a single party remain.

So, on this occasion, Left and right on the political spectrum agree M0nica but don't get carried away it won't last. ?

None of it will happen.

Starmer will quietly rid himself of Corbyn and associates and the trade unions will have to suck it up.Or they will if they know what’s good for them and want to see Labour in power come 2024.

lemongrove

None of it will happen.

Who knows lemongrove, possibly it will not but it has never looked more probable regarding the Labour Party. What the Labour party needs is a leader with the leadership skills of Harold Wilson, but I fear such a person is anywhere to be found in the present PLP.

Should be "not anywhere to be found" in my above post. ?

lemongrove

Starmer will quietly rid himself of Corbyn and associates and the trade unions will have to suck it up.Or they will if they know what’s good for them and want to see Labour in power come 2024.

What would the trade unions want to suck up to Starmer for? They stayed in and funded Blair and their members got nothing out of that in twelve years of his government.

That, will not happen again

I didn’t say they would have to suck up to Starmer.....rather that they would have to suck it up, meaning accept that’s the way things are.

But it seems to me that most Conservatives will vote Conservative no matter how disappointed they are with those in charge. I have a friend who is appalled by the current government but I very much doubt that she would ever vote against them. A split Labour party would surely be forever in opposition. And let’s not forget it’s the downtrodden poor that the left wing of the party care about and represent that voted Conservative in their droves last time.

I don’t think that traditional Labour voters in the North ( red wall, so called) would appreciate being termed the ‘downtrodden poor’ ( probably why Corbyn lost so badly.)

lemongrove

I didn’t say they would have to suck up to Starmer.....rather that they would have to suck it up, meaning accept that’s the way things are.

Should Starmer not be leader then whether the unions and left remain on board would depend on who the new leader was and the policies he supported.

Is it like GBH when the left were actually the tories. I just cant really see any other explanation for such bizarre behaviour.

Starmer has only been a short time in the job! Why anyone thinks the party would ditch him amazes me.

I don't think Starmer will quietly get rid of Corbyn and associates easily

Last night, the grassroots campaign to reinstate Jeremy Corbyn’s whip reached fever pitch as Constituency Labour Parties (CLPs) across Britain passed motions of support, in many cases in defiance of threats from party officials.

tribunemag.co.uk/2020/11/labours-members-are-in-revolt-against-keir-starmer?fbclid=IwAR3WXc1nEqKM9L1Gg5dDkA-_CUJsgbfuOo7dbtN59cHm0JKRgaDOs3o_qUo

And RLB of The Green New Deal The Green Industrial Revolution. Changes this country needs. Did Starmer follow all these polices that he has promised No he has watered down this New Green Deal. Climate Emergency needs to be acted on now it can't wait.

The 20th of November was a second very bad day in succession for Starmer and with him having those days so too does the Labour party. He is now leading a party that is rapidly running outside of his control, but that is only to be expected when he stupidly tries to dictate what constituency parties can and cannot discuss at their meetings.

He should undoubtedly take the weekend to consider his position and then on Monday either begin to lead and speak for ALL sections of the party or stand aside to allow a fresh leadership election to take place.

Nanfer5g

Callistemon, Galaxy, you seem to have run out of any further argument in defence of Starmer. I do sympathise as I can understand it is impossible to defend the indefensible. ?

There is no need, Corbyn is yesterday's man.

How are you btw? Well, I hope.

lemongrove

I didn’t say they would have to suck up to Starmer.....rather that they would have to suck it up, meaning accept that’s the way things are.

Isn't that what dictatorships do? Doesn't democracy mean you listen to what people say?

Nobody is proposing to bring Corbyn back as leader (only apparently people who dislike him). As I said before without Starmer being so dogmatic he would by now just be a back bench MP. The issue is Starmer's complete inability to unite the LP nothing to do with Corbyn.

No one can unit the Labour Party

The issue is Starmer's complete inability to unite the LP nothing to do with Corbyn.

The issue is with the Labour Party then, as Corbyn couldn't do so either.

Callistemon yes Corbyn is yesterday's leader and man which is why there is such justifiable upheaval towards Starmer's victimisation of him. The stupidity of that action is beyond belief.

By the way since you ask, I am very well but been self isolating for ten days now following contact with someone who tested positive for Covid-19. Seem to have got away with it though. ?

trisher no doubt Starmer has listened....before making his decisions.Democracy ...yes, but the leader has to lead.

The issue is with the Labour Party then, as Corbyn couldn't do so either.
That may be true but he didn't make such a messs of it as the current leader. Starmer is supposed to be clever but there is very little evidence of it.

lemongrove

trisher no doubt Starmer has listened....before making his decisions.Democracy ...yes, but the leader has to lead.

Not apparently to CLPs. Possibly to the right wingers who remain unchallenged in the LP head office.

Seem to have got away with it though. ?
That's a relief, Nanfer5g