Jeremy Corbyn suspended from Labour Party

Callistemon

^The issue is Starmer's complete inability to unite the LP nothing to do with Corbyn.^

The issue is with the Labour Party then, as Corbyn couldn't do so either.

Corbyn grew the membership of the Labour party to over four hundred and sixty eight thousand making it largest and wealthiest political organisation in Europe. If that is not good united leadership what is

Compare the above to the situation of the Labour Party now. Membership below two hundred thousand, an organisation tearing itself apart and rapidly heading for bankruptcy.

Great leadership there.

No change in the endless threats of what may happen I see. I could do with some variety really.

It’s tearing itself apart because it’s lost 4 election, two of them under Corbyns leadership. And many of the people chanting oh Jeremy Corbyn were chanting where’s Jeremy Corbyn on the anti brexit marches. Many disillusioned people on them, me included.

Corbyn grew the membership of the Labour party to over four hundred and sixty eight thousand making it largest and wealthiest political organisation in Europe. If that is not good united leadership what is
Compare the above to the situation of the Labour Party now. Membership below two hundred thousand, an organisation tearing itself apart and rapidly heading for bankruptcy.
Great leadership there.

All if this may well be true Nanfer5g but when it came to voting in a leader for the Labour Party, they just didn't want Corbyn. If they had, he'd be where Starmer is now. But he isn't because they knew that, with him at the helm, they would remain unelectable and in the political wilderness for another decade.

Corbyn lost two general elections and went on holiday during
the brexit campaign.

How did the largest , wealthiest party in Europe manage this

Let's stop talking about Corbyn and look at Starmer's leadership.
Unauthorised (except by him) payments to disgruntled ex-employees who threw away the 2017 election because of internal disagreements.
No support for human rights when the Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill passes through the house.
Campaign for feeding school children led by a footballer not the LO.
Says he had no part in the suspension of an MP from th LP but refuses to restore the whip when that MP is reinstated by the LP.
There are numerous. other instances when he has proved he has neither Labour values nor the ability to lead and unite the party. He has to go. And before anyone steps in I don't advocate Corbyn succeeding him.

Corbyn spoke up for those on Zero Hours Employment Contracts, Gig Economy Terms of Working and those living in poor private rented accommodation etc. He even went as far as joining a protest outside a huge Amazon online order fulfilment centre regarding working conditions in that place and many others that are similar in Britain today.

Actions such as those grew the Labour Party to a membership of nearly half a million and along with that, he brought the numbers of trade unions members paying the political levy also to record numbers. But of course, just looking at the threads on this forum and other online media, there are huge numbers of the population that care little for no one else but themselves and therefore Corbyn's message could never form a majority in the electorate especially when the right in his own party consistently worked against him.

The above is why I believe a division of the Labour Party is required so that the right wing can have the Tory lite party they desire and the left can have a party that clearly speaks out for workers and families trapped in poor working and housing conditions.

That left-wing party may never get elected to government but it will be a party that remains with a message that is clear and consistent for a section of society that no one speaks up for in the leadership of Starmer's Labour Party or any other political party in the UK.

So let us see an end brought to this squabbling charade of a party and have a clear choice for those with left leaning views in Britain.

What could be better??

Actions such as those grew the Labour Party to a membership of nearly half a million and along with that, he brought the numbers of trade unions members paying the political levy also to record numbers. But of course, just looking at the threads on this forum and other online media, there are huge numbers of the population that care little for no one else but themselves and therefore Corbyn's message could never form a majority in the electorate especially when the right in his own party consistently worked against him.

Exactly. He IS a principled man, but socialism is only for the selfless and the idealists (not an insult, btw, I am one of them).

That left-wing party may never get elected to government but it will be a party that remains with a message that is clear and consistent for a section of society that no one speaks up for in the leadership of Starmer's Labour Party or any other political party in the UK.

Exactly. I did vote for Blair, but HATED what he stood for. I would rather vote with my beliefs than vote for Tory lite.

I would rather vote with my beliefs than vote for Tory lite.

Then you're leaving the door wide open for Tory full fat to be elected over and over again.

Being elected isnt part of the mantra. They are even admitting now. I cant think of anything more fundamentally selfish.

Chewbacca

^I would rather vote with my beliefs than vote for Tory lite.^

Then you're leaving the door wide open for Tory full fat to be elected over and over again.

Exactly. And it upsets me that Labour left wingers assume that people like me that are more left of centre are uncaring and selfish. BecauseI can assure you I’m not.

I didn’t know the tory party was split, who in the cabinet are
tory light and who are tory heavy.

The Labour Party - far left and centre left , are the far left
communists ?

Chewbacca

^I would rather vote with my beliefs than vote for Tory lite.^

Then you're leaving the door wide open for Tory full fat to be elected over and over again.

Did the right in the Labour Party and especially in its central office think about "leaving the the door wide open" for Tory rule as they worked to undermine a leader elected twice with largest majorities ever recorded in Labour party history.

Now that is what I would call totally selfish.

Oh Annie I've tried to explain Communism to you but you keep mixing it up with socialism. There are no Communists, the far left are socialists, God knows what those to the right of them are because they never actually say. Tory-lite is one way of describing them because they effectively replicate the actions of the Tories whilst tweaking things a bit but changing nothing. It's why the gig economy flourishes and the poorest go to the wall. It's Blair's legacy. Just like he was Thatcher's.

Why don't we call the present situation in the Labour Party for what it is?

What we have is a right wing who feel they are "entitled to rule" in the party Tory lite style and look down on the left as the "political scum of the earth". Therefore they label the left as communists, Trotskyists and whatever other tags that may come to hand on various occasions

Problem is for those right wing members they belong to an organisation that was born out of the trade union movement, is still financed by those unions who are themselves hard left organisations by the very nature of the work and help they provide for their members.

So, we now have a right wing in the Labour Party having no room or respect for the left in the party or the trade unions but still wishing that those sector(s) to provide all the finance and organisation for the use and policies of the right.

I find the above a totally despicable attitude and the sooner the left of the party walk away the better.

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With respect I think Annie probably knows more about politics than most people on this forum. And her relationship with the Labour Party goes back further than most.

MayBee70 ditto!

MayBee70

With respect I think Annie probably knows more about politics than most people on this forum. And her relationship with the Labour Party goes back further than most.

Who had posted in this thread that Annie did not????

I thought you had walked away. But no back for round three.

I can clearly remember, born and brought up 4 miles from Merthyr Tydfil, a newcomer to the village putting a ‘vote for
Churchill’ poster in her window, not sensible thing to do .

My first election, I ran it in junior school, voting slips -

Labour v Churchill , he didn’t get one vote ?

How many labour posters have a photograph of themselves being nursed by Nye Bevan , I do ?

trisher don’t waste time explaining communism and socialism to me, I come from a family of members of the
communist and Labour Party.

That is a lovely thing to have and you have been active in politics for a long time. But on a forum like this it does not actually make your opinion worth more than anyone else's Anniebach
We are all contributors of equal value don't you think? Even if we disagree.

Anniebach

trisher don’t waste time explaining communism and socialism to me, I come from a family of members of the
communist and Labour Party.

Anniebach you and me agreed on this thread a few days back that it would be better if the left and right in the Labour Party went their separate ways and formed two separate parties. In such a situation how would you wish to see the right wing Tory Lite party financed?

What organisations or persons would you wish to see donating to that party???

Just an update on how the backlash against Starmer's leadership and his handling of the Jeremy Corbyn suspension is being viewed in the party.

Last night, the grassroots campaign to reinstate the whip to Jeremy Corbyn whip reached fever pitch as Constituency Labour Parties (CLPs) across Britain passed motions of support, in many cases in defiance of threats from party officials.

Liverpool Walton, the constituency with the highest Labour vote in the country, was the first to announce its results with an overwhelming majority in favour with only a single vote against. They were swiftly followed by Camberwell and Peckham CLP in London, where the chair and secretary had been subject to warnings by region over debating the motion.

As the night continued, votes rolled in from across the country: Edinburgh Central in Scotland; London constituencies Kingston and Surbiton, Dulwich and West Norwood, and Brent Central; Rushcliffe outside Nottingham; Penrith and the Border, Bristol South, Newcastle Central, and Bolton North East.

These followed a unanimous vote in Jeremy Corbyn’s home CLP of Islington North on Wednesday night in favour of his full reinstatement to the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP). Another motion that evening had thanked the range of CLPs for their support came from Cardiff North to Hastings, Hull, and Carlisle — which had passed Campaign for Labour Party Democracy (CLPD) motions supporting Corbyn in the past ten days.

Another of those to pass a similar motion was Bristol West, where amazingly the chair and co-secretary have been suspended by the party for holding the discussion. These attacks on Labour members and their right to discuss major political developments in their party are likely to continue as a wave of constituencies defy the muzzle to table motions in every part of the country.

Link to the above can be found here:-
jacobinmag.com/2020/11/uk-labour-party-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-clps-suspension

ilovecheese a light hearted post, how dare I !

Nanfer5 There are threads on the tory Party, can we not stay
on topic ? The Labour Party.