Gransnet forums

News & politics

What does a President Biden mean for the UK?

(111 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:05:11

Just that

rosecarmel Sat 07-Nov-20 19:35:46

Chongolo74

Trump avoided war in the Middle East. He was the first president to directly engage with a leader of North Korea.
He brought US troops home from the Middle East.
He insisted the Germans contribute to their own defence.
Although he was insulted and attacked time and time again by our media and people like the Mayor of London, he kept up his friendship with the UK and backed us on Brexit. His mistake was not to grovel to the urban liberal elite.

And at least he spoke and acted like a man!

I wish you offered a more complete list of his accomplishments, because he did a good deal more than what you mentioned- His character flaws made it difficult for most people to discuss- Similar occured during the Obama administration, when people were so enamored with his personality that they refused to discuss his failures-

In the meantime, life has become increasingly more difficult for most of us on both of their watches but greatly improved for the chosen few-

Getting ahead in the US is an ongoing struggle- It used to be an achievable pursuit for most but most now can barely keep afloat without going into debt- Thats the stuff that gets discussed at kitchen tables across America, no matter if you are red or blue-

Dont let those happy family photos on Facebook and Instagram fool you- They are treasured, fleeting moments that people deserve more of and not feel forced to pretend everything is more than alright in order to survive-

lemongrove Sat 07-Nov-20 19:37:44

Whitewavemark2

One down, one to go

In four years perhaps WW ?

lemongrove Sat 07-Nov-20 19:43:15

Whitewavemark2

But we do think it will make a big difference in the U.K.

It is becoming quite clear that Biden looks very dimly on Johnson, who sees him as a physical and emotional clone of Trump. Biden sees Johnson as a right wing populist cut from the same cloth as Trump.

He isn’t wrong.

Biden also remembers the jibes Johnson made against Obama, and Biden has a long memory.

Johnson’s close personal relationship with Trump has not gone down well with Biden.

This all adds up to a much more difficult position for No 10 and Brexit.

WW you do seem to have great faith in Biden’s abilities!
A long memory??He didn’t remember his own grand-daughters name recently.
He isn’t Trump, and that’s all he has going for him as far as I can see.He may have been ok twenty years ago.
A relief to see the back of a delusional and very strange DT but would have preferred a better new POTUS.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 19:43:50

he will be gone very soon lemon- very soon indeed. The EU does no trust him (and for very good reasons) and neither does Biden and his team. Would it me amazing if Obama were to be in charge of negotiations smile wow

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 19:44:50

Biden is aware of his age, and will surround himself with an amazing, strong and experienced team.

lemongrove Sat 07-Nov-20 19:56:34

Why will he be gone biba ? It doesn’t matter if the ‘EU’ don’t trust him, any deals will soon either be done ( or not.)
Nor does it matter if Biden doesn’t trust him ( maybe he won’t trust Biden!) Nothing is personal at those levels, it’s business and diplomacy.
Yes, he will certainly have to surround himself with an experienced and strong team.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 20:16:13

busines and diplomacy does require a certain amount of honesty and trust for it to work. But i do believe he will be ousted by his own party, or just throw in the towel with some excuse of other. Watch - this - space.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 20:17:41

the EU hold all the cards now, and Biden all the Jokers.

lemongrove Sat 07-Nov-20 20:21:26

Wishful thinking biba....that’s all.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 20:23:52

I'd call it utterly delusional not to see that. The whole world sees it, and the EU in particular.

rosecarmel Sat 07-Nov-20 20:52:47

Biden not being Trump is enough at the moment- Obviously- He won-

Clinton wasnt enough in 2016- She lost- Trump won-

We now have the first woman VP-

If I could place a wreath on Emily Davison's grave, I would-

Whitewavemark2 Sat 07-Nov-20 20:55:50

?. Watching the celebrations. Has there ever been such a huge celebration? It is lovely to see.

Bells are ringing in Paris!

Callistemon Sat 07-Nov-20 21:16:56

the EU hold all the cards now, and Biden all the Jokers.
I wouldn't place any bets on that.

Added to which, the EU doesn't hold any moral high ground whatsoever regarding the humane treatment of animals, as has been recently proved.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 21:37:05

What card does the UK hold at this moment in time?

lemongrove Sat 07-Nov-20 21:41:45

Both the EU and the UK hold different cards but both sides want a deal.... pointless at this stage to pre-empt exactly what will happen.When both sides want something, it usually happens.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 21:44:21

so any deal will do for you? Just as long as it is called a deal- even if totally in the favour of one side.

Dinahmo Sat 07-Nov-20 21:47:49

biba70

Biden is aware of his age, and will surround himself with an amazing, strong and experienced team.

And it looks as though he has chosen a good VIP who, no doubt, will become president before Biden's first term is over.

Dinahmo Sat 07-Nov-20 21:50:05

rosecarmel

Biden not being Trump is enough at the moment- Obviously- He won-

Clinton wasnt enough in 2016- She lost- Trump won-

We now have the first woman VP-

If I could place a wreath on Emily Davison's grave, I would-

Clinton did have the majority of the popular vote - sadly that wasn't enough to get her to the White House.

Summerlove Sat 07-Nov-20 22:04:12

And at least he spoke and acted like a man!

If that’s how a man should speak and act, then god help us all.

Rape culture. Alive and well. Our poor daughters and granddaughters. Chattel, all of us.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 22:14:38

Summerlove, indeed. What a shameful and disgsuting comment. The men in my life do not speak or behave like that- real men. How can any woman make that comment sad

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Nov-20 08:21:55

We can be heartened that governments that bring chaos, crises and anxiety to its population can be defeated.

As Biden said.

Keep the faith folks

Sara70 Sun 08-Nov-20 10:49:43

The election of Biden will certainly mean that no border can be placed across Ireland and probably also the Irish sea if Johnson wishes to have a trade deal with the United States. That leaves the British government threats of a no deal Brexit with the EU negotiators in tatters and meaningless.

If forced now into trying to push through parliament a trade deal with the European Union, that would greatly upset the ERG group in parliament and will, I feel, bring about the end of Johnson as prime minister. Britain could then be faced with political chaos as an election of a new prime minister will take up to a month to complete while Britain hangs in limbo.

The Covid crisis combined with Brexit uncertainty is already reaping havoc in the UK economy and through that the lives of many working families in this country. We must also not forget that the Labour Party is beginning the process of tearing itself apart unless "no action" Starmer gets off his Westminster fastened backside and starts to sort the problems in his party.

At this point in time, I can see little to celebrate as far as the United Kingdom is concerned in the election of Biden.

lemongrove Sun 08-Nov-20 11:15:42

Ooh, sackcloth and ashes time then? Rending of garments and gnashing of teeth?

It’s not the UK government threatening a hard border in Ireland, it’s the EU. It won’t happen though.

Davidhs Sun 08-Nov-20 11:41:25

“Greatly upset the ERG,” it’s about time they have their comeuppance they have cause trouble for far too long. They don’t hold sway in the Tory party the way they did in the past. There is now a majority of 80 much more scope for moderate policies.

GillT57 Sun 08-Nov-20 11:43:05

And at least he spoke and acted like a man!. What an extraordinary comment, and one which surely re-inforces many people's view of Trump supporters. Not how I raised my son, and I hope my daughter doesn't meet any of yours.
Anyway, back to the real topic; I am starting to feel quietly optimistic for the first time in many months, probably since the annus horribilus of 2016 when the world somehow lost its way and voted for Trump and Brexit. The son of Bollsanaro has been arrested on fraud charges, Bannon's lawyers have deserted him as he faces multiple charges, so maybe, just maybe the tide is turning against the extreme right wing and their divisive policies. All I need now to make my weekend complete is for Farage to get a nasty dose of covid19 seeing as he is about to relaunch himself as the anti-mask party.
America now needs to try to heal its divisions in attitude, hope, opportunity and expectations and this is going to be a very difficult task. The Republican party too needs to sort itself and separate Republicanism from Trumpism.