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What does a President Biden mean for the UK?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:05:11

Just that

Jane10 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:07:47

I saw an interview in which it seemed that our relationship with US would be better as it was less likely to be based on a Trump Johnston friendship. Seems reasonable to me.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:08:07

OK I’ll start it off

Brexit is going to be more difficult. No support from Biden.

Biden sees Trump as a pound shop Trump. (So do I )

Oopsminty Fri 06-Nov-20 14:11:59

A Biden presidency would not necessarily have radically different priorities for trade negotiations with the UK', Policy Exchange stated in July.

'US trade objectives largely reflect stakeholder concerns and retain a degree of bipartisan consensus.'

This was echoed by Sam Lowe, senior research fellow at the Centre for European Reform think tank, who tweeted last month that 'The US objectives for UK-US trade deal under Biden would be pretty much the same as under Trump, particularly on agriculture'.

Oopsminty Fri 06-Nov-20 14:14:10

* Biden sees Trump as a pound shop Trump. *

Do you mean he sees Boris as a pound shop Trump?

I doubt Biden is giving the UK much thought at all to be honest

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:21:20

I’m afraid there we will have to disagree oops

Biden first concern will be to mend bridges broken by Trump with the biggest European block which is of course the EU.

We know that he has repeatedly warned the U.K. that he will not tolerate any threat to the GFA which was brought into being by the USA.

We know that we have been told that the U.K. will have to wait it’s turn along with other countries, as he doesn’t see the special relationship as all that special.

We know his opinion of a Johnson is not high, and he indeed as described him as a pound shop Trump.

This is going to directly affect the Brexit decisions, which is exactly what I have been hoping for since the election began.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:25:21

Someone just stated that it is very likely that the USA could end up with a black female president, which will be a final chapter in Trumps fall.

He first came to prominence over the birther lie and the black president Obama. And it could end with a black female president.

What poetic justice!

paddyanne Fri 06-Nov-20 14:36:57

I think this is the only way the US will get a female president ..and a black one .There is still a great deal of prejudice against women in power and we hear daily the issues the Black community still faces and the hatred aimed at Obama and his family .Theres along way to go before racial equality or equality for women becomes the norm in the USA.Kamela Harris may well be the last chance for either for a long time if Biden fails to win

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:42:28

Biden win also tells us that nationalism can be beaten.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:49:37

paddyanne

I think this is the only way the US will get a female president ..and a black one .There is still a great deal of prejudice against women in power and we hear daily the issues the Black community still faces and the hatred aimed at Obama and his family .Theres along way to go before racial equality or equality for women becomes the norm in the USA.Kamela Harris may well be the last chance for either for a long time if Biden fails to win

Not all bad, the USA has elected a female black vice-president.

Never happened before. Never had a female Vice President, nor black female.

rosecarmel Fri 06-Nov-20 14:49:55

From here: www.npr.org/2020/11/03/929628586/what-a-joe-biden-presidency-might-mean-for-the-u-k

With Joe Biden ahead in the polls, many in Europe are wondering what U.S. foreign policy might look like if the former vice president wins the White House.

If President Trump is defeated in Tuesday's election, one loser in the region could be British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Trump's closest ally in Europe. While Trump has often denigrated other European leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron, he's chummy with Johnson, who, like Trump, is seen as a populist showman.

"He's a good guy," Trump said of Johnson last year. "He's a friend of mine."

More significantly, Trump has backed two of Johnson's key policy priorities: Brexit and a free-trade deal with the U.S., the world's largest economy.

But Biden, who opposed Brexit, would have different priorities if he becomes president. Unlike Trump, Biden values the trans-Atlantic relationship with Europe and hopes to rebuild ties with allies like Germany and France that Trump has insulted and alienated.

Over the past four years, Trump characterized some NATO countries as freeloaders for not spending enough on defense, and he has called the European Union a "foe."

Mending fences could take Biden some time and would delay Britain getting a trade deal with the U.S. until 2022 or beyond.

"The symbolic importance and value of that agreement cannot be overstated," said Mujtaba Rahman, managing director for Europe with Eurasia Group, a risk management firm. "The entire legitimacy and credibility of Brexit on some level hangs on the government's ability to land an agreement with the U.S."

A Biden presidency would also put more pressure on Johnson to abandon his threat of a no-deal Brexit and conclude a trade deal with the European Union. The United Kingdom is in a Brexit transition period that expires at the end of this year. Biden, who is of Irish descent, has warned Johnson not to mess around in negotiations with the EU or do anything that could undermine the 1998 Northern Ireland peace agreement.

"Joe Biden's personal stake and role in this has been absolutely key in forcing a change of position in Downing Street vis-à-vis the EU in those talks," Rahman says.

The coronavirus pandemic, which has deeply damaged the British economy, also makes it more difficult and costly for Johnson to follow through on his threat of a no-deal Brexit.

While a Biden presidency could create challenges for Johnson's administration, the two governments would probably find common ground on issues including combating climate change and managing Iran's nuclear ambitions.

And there might be another clear upside.

"Downing Street has found dealing with Trump a nightmare," Rahman says. "He's unpredictable, difficult to work with, has made the government's life on a whole swath of multilateral issues very difficult to navigate."

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:57:54

rose good post.

How are you feeling? Exhausted I would think. I’ve been watching CNN. I see Fox isn’t happy! That’s Murdoch for you. Busy misleading millions of people including over here .

rosecarmel Fri 06-Nov-20 15:03:49

I don't know how I'm doing 😂 Its true!

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:08:08

I’ve sat watching it for hours. It gets addictive. That chap on CNN - white haired no beard, is like a robot. He is incredible! I reckon he goes on stand-by at night😄😄

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:15:47

For the first time in a long time, I am feeling a little hopeful. I too have been watching, listening, messaging family in New York, all exhausting but exhilarating as it looks as if it will lead to the downfall of that noxious monster Trump. I am not sure that Biden is a strong candidate, but as far as I am concerned, he is not Trump. I suspect that within a year the USA will have Harris as president, new fresh, young blood is what they need, not two old men. Rats are leaving the sinking ship of Trump; Murdoch has distanced himself.

GillT57 Fri 06-Nov-20 15:20:47

As to the implications for the UK, I think it will be good news for those of us who think understand that Brexit is an impending economic disaster. If Biden is able to make the government think again about the implications of turning our back on our allies in EU when we haven't got the 'special relationship' with USA then hooray hooray. Johnson must be feeling even more lonely now with his fake friend on his way out.

Franbern Fri 06-Nov-20 16:00:23

Whitewavemark2

Someone just stated that it is very likely that the USA could end up with a black female president, which will be a final chapter in Trumps fall.

He first came to prominence over the birther lie and the black president Obama. And it could end with a black female president.

What poetic justice!

Wouldn't that be ironic and marvellous. To me that (if it happens) could be the first step towards politics getting back to before it started to so horribly wrong which began with the first Brexit vote - based totally on lies. Lies, and more lies then became common place in politics both in USA and UK

varian Fri 06-Nov-20 16:04:08

It would also be ironic and marvellous if President Biden appointed Hillary Clinton as US Attorney General and her first act was to ensure that Trump was prosecuted for his many crimes. I'd like to see her lock him up.

biba70 Fri 06-Nov-20 16:42:17

wow what a thought. Yes, so would I.

Smileless2012 Fri 06-Nov-20 17:02:28

That would be good wouldn't it variangrin

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 17:11:35

I’d like to see him have Obama as sec of state

Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 17:11:55

varian

It would also be ironic and marvellous if President Biden appointed Hillary Clinton as US Attorney General and her first act was to ensure that Trump was prosecuted for his many crimes. I'd like to see her lock him up.

😄

sodapop Fri 06-Nov-20 17:12:06

I'm not sure how much will change given that the Senate is predominantly Republican. It will take all Biden's energy sorting out the problems at home.

Callistemon Fri 06-Nov-20 17:14:02

hmm much as that would be ironic and marvellous, it would mean a death, so perhaps not something to hope for.

lemongrove Fri 06-Nov-20 17:28:16

I don’t think that anyone at this moment, including Biden himself knows what sort of relationship he will have with the UK.We have always had a good relationship with the US and I see that continuing. It has to be remembered that Democrats are a ‘broad church’ much like our own political parties, and Biden is more of a centrist.Also, the Democrats are more like the Conservative Party than the Labour Party ( and the Republicans are very right wing.)
The fact, unfortunately that Biden is too old for the job (possibly physically as well as mentally) add to the fact that we don’t know what he will be like.
The main thing in his favour all round, is that he isn’t Trump.
DT is so quixotic and his thought processes so random that I don’t think we could ever have hoped for anything much from him anyway.
Biden has to be better for the whole world than Trump!