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What does a President Biden mean for the UK?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 06-Nov-20 14:05:11

Just that

varian Mon 09-Nov-20 18:55:27

The very best deal was the deal we had in 2016, before the fraudulent referendum.

Even if, sometime in the future, we manage to get back into the EU, we will never, ever get such a good deal as the wreckers threw away in 2016.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Nov-20 06:48:32

Johnson seen as a shape shifting creep and racist by Biden aides.

Johnsons past is catching up with him.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/biden-ally-lashes-out-at-shapeshifting-creep-johnsons-racist-comments/08/11/

biba70 Sun 08-Nov-20 18:11:17

Some here and throughout the UK are just refusing to see just how weak the UK's situation is currently, with so little time to go.

And the massive Farage Garage, built on a flood plain, is just filling with water like a giant swimming pool- you could not make it up (how many times do we have to say it).

biba70 Sun 08-Nov-20 18:09:08

Indeed, the very best Deal was always to remain a strong partner at the top table in the EU.

But some played poker, gambled the country, and lost. Something will be salvaged, somehow- but it will never ever be the same. Johnson's, Cummings and ERGs dishonesty and arrogance have burnt many bridges- and all the cards in the process. Biden will ally with the EU- and they will dictate the terms. Johnson can choose to walk - into oblivion. And taking us with him.

Or he can grovel- as he has started to do- to try and get Biden and Harris to forget his behaviour, his alliance with Trump and Bannon and others- and his sheer racist comments towards Biden's best ever friend and ally, Obama. Kamala will find it hard to forgive him, for sure.

Sara70 Sun 08-Nov-20 14:45:17

biba70

'a' Deal- what does that mean? Any deal, just for a deal's sake?

Mrs May got the very best Deal possible - she pushed to the limit, and knew there was no further to go. At the moment, and yes, I am aware that I am repeating myself- Johnson's holds no cards- the EU, and Biden/Harris- are 100% aware of that. Concessions will have to be huge at this stage.

I agree that May got the best deal possible at that time. The UK position is now weaker in the negotiations and therefore the EU can be even more demanding in their requirement for a deal. That will probably come in that they will make a condition that any deal Britain signs with a non European Union state must contain a provision that all goods imported must reach EU standards of regulation.

That would definitely upset many on the Conservative benches in parliament and make the passing of such a deal near impossible without opposition party support. It would also make many wonder what benefits there are to be found in Britain leaving the EU.

biba70 Sun 08-Nov-20 14:07:11

'a' Deal- what does that mean? Any deal, just for a deal's sake?

Mrs May got the very best Deal possible - she pushed to the limit, and knew there was no further to go. At the moment, and yes, I am aware that I am repeating myself- Johnson's holds no cards- the EU, and Biden/Harris- are 100% aware of that. Concessions will have to be huge at this stage.

Sara70 Sun 08-Nov-20 12:02:16

lemongrove

It won’t happen because there will surely be a deal done before the deadline.

I certainly hope so, and one that will be accepted by the Conservative party in the House of Commons. If not we could have a political crisis on our hands to add to all the rest of it??

Callistemon Sun 08-Nov-20 12:01:22

The Republican party too needs to sort itself and separate Republicanism from Trumpism.

That is what it has become - a Trump cult.
Unfortunately many Americans subscribe to that cult; there may be jubilation now but I fear there will be trouble in the months ahead.

lemongrove Sun 08-Nov-20 11:56:06

It won’t happen because there will surely be a deal done before the deadline.

Sara70 Sun 08-Nov-20 11:50:50

lemongrove

Ooh, sackcloth and ashes time then? Rending of garments and gnashing of teeth?

It’s not the UK government threatening a hard border in Ireland, it’s the EU. It won’t happen though.

Yes, the EU will require a hard border across Ireland if no trade deal is made between Britain and the European Union if only to stop non standard goods entering Europe by that route. That is why it is now imperative the United Kingdom signs a trade and customs agreement with the EU.

These are now crucial weeks for this country, for we all could find ourselves badly affected by an emerging trading vacuum both with Europe and the United States. Unemployment is already rising rapidly due to the Covid crisis and Brexit is about to add to that unemployment tally unless a deal is now quickly concluded.

GillT57 Sun 08-Nov-20 11:43:05

And at least he spoke and acted like a man!. What an extraordinary comment, and one which surely re-inforces many people's view of Trump supporters. Not how I raised my son, and I hope my daughter doesn't meet any of yours.
Anyway, back to the real topic; I am starting to feel quietly optimistic for the first time in many months, probably since the annus horribilus of 2016 when the world somehow lost its way and voted for Trump and Brexit. The son of Bollsanaro has been arrested on fraud charges, Bannon's lawyers have deserted him as he faces multiple charges, so maybe, just maybe the tide is turning against the extreme right wing and their divisive policies. All I need now to make my weekend complete is for Farage to get a nasty dose of covid19 seeing as he is about to relaunch himself as the anti-mask party.
America now needs to try to heal its divisions in attitude, hope, opportunity and expectations and this is going to be a very difficult task. The Republican party too needs to sort itself and separate Republicanism from Trumpism.

Davidhs Sun 08-Nov-20 11:41:25

“Greatly upset the ERG,” it’s about time they have their comeuppance they have cause trouble for far too long. They don’t hold sway in the Tory party the way they did in the past. There is now a majority of 80 much more scope for moderate policies.

lemongrove Sun 08-Nov-20 11:15:42

Ooh, sackcloth and ashes time then? Rending of garments and gnashing of teeth?

It’s not the UK government threatening a hard border in Ireland, it’s the EU. It won’t happen though.

Sara70 Sun 08-Nov-20 10:49:43

The election of Biden will certainly mean that no border can be placed across Ireland and probably also the Irish sea if Johnson wishes to have a trade deal with the United States. That leaves the British government threats of a no deal Brexit with the EU negotiators in tatters and meaningless.

If forced now into trying to push through parliament a trade deal with the European Union, that would greatly upset the ERG group in parliament and will, I feel, bring about the end of Johnson as prime minister. Britain could then be faced with political chaos as an election of a new prime minister will take up to a month to complete while Britain hangs in limbo.

The Covid crisis combined with Brexit uncertainty is already reaping havoc in the UK economy and through that the lives of many working families in this country. We must also not forget that the Labour Party is beginning the process of tearing itself apart unless "no action" Starmer gets off his Westminster fastened backside and starts to sort the problems in his party.

At this point in time, I can see little to celebrate as far as the United Kingdom is concerned in the election of Biden.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 08-Nov-20 08:21:55

We can be heartened that governments that bring chaos, crises and anxiety to its population can be defeated.

As Biden said.

Keep the faith folks

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 22:14:38

Summerlove, indeed. What a shameful and disgsuting comment. The men in my life do not speak or behave like that- real men. How can any woman make that comment sad

Summerlove Sat 07-Nov-20 22:04:12

And at least he spoke and acted like a man!

If that’s how a man should speak and act, then god help us all.

Rape culture. Alive and well. Our poor daughters and granddaughters. Chattel, all of us.

Dinahmo Sat 07-Nov-20 21:50:05

rosecarmel

Biden not being Trump is enough at the moment- Obviously- He won-

Clinton wasnt enough in 2016- She lost- Trump won-

We now have the first woman VP-

If I could place a wreath on Emily Davison's grave, I would-

Clinton did have the majority of the popular vote - sadly that wasn't enough to get her to the White House.

Dinahmo Sat 07-Nov-20 21:47:49

biba70

Biden is aware of his age, and will surround himself with an amazing, strong and experienced team.

And it looks as though he has chosen a good VIP who, no doubt, will become president before Biden's first term is over.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 21:44:21

so any deal will do for you? Just as long as it is called a deal- even if totally in the favour of one side.

lemongrove Sat 07-Nov-20 21:41:45

Both the EU and the UK hold different cards but both sides want a deal.... pointless at this stage to pre-empt exactly what will happen.When both sides want something, it usually happens.

biba70 Sat 07-Nov-20 21:37:05

What card does the UK hold at this moment in time?

Callistemon Sat 07-Nov-20 21:16:56

the EU hold all the cards now, and Biden all the Jokers.
I wouldn't place any bets on that.

Added to which, the EU doesn't hold any moral high ground whatsoever regarding the humane treatment of animals, as has been recently proved.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 07-Nov-20 20:55:50

😄. Watching the celebrations. Has there ever been such a huge celebration? It is lovely to see.

Bells are ringing in Paris!

rosecarmel Sat 07-Nov-20 20:52:47

Biden not being Trump is enough at the moment- Obviously- He won-

Clinton wasnt enough in 2016- She lost- Trump won-

We now have the first woman VP-

If I could place a wreath on Emily Davison's grave, I would-