Mink Farms in Denmark

www.peta.org.uk/blog/red-tractor-farms/

Here are some pictures from “higher welfare pig farms” in the U.K.

A good reason to use your local butcher so you know exactly which farm your meat comes from Vegan!

I saw a programme recently about mink and their close relatives: otters, stoats, martens etc. They are highly intelligent animals ( being able to solve very complex problems that other animals can’t) and the thought of them being kept in such awful conditions is horrifying. I’m also worried that COVID might infect otters etc.

Leaving the EU has given the green light for us to lower our standards

I realise now that our standards are much higher than those of the EU so why we should lower them below those of the EU is a mystery!

All animal farming, anywhere, involves cruelty. It's just a case of more or less cruel methods being used. Therefore, all meat consumption depends on innocent creatures being harmed. At least admit that!

Yes.

But my Duchy Organic chicken was delicious.
I am an omnivore.

Callistemon
That's why 53% of British farmers voted to leave the eu.
They know the truth.

I will buy a turkey even if I have to cook it and freeze most of it.

Support the farmers!

Callistemon, farmers just supply what we demand. As demand falls, they diversify. Omnivores have a (vast) choice in what they choose to eat. Farmed animals have no choice.

At least, we can hope that's the end for mink farms. It would be unwise to create those same conditions again, ready for the next pandemic.

It would seem sensible to stop crowding any animals into factory farms - for the same reason.

“In fact, if one person is unkind to an animal it is considered to be cruelty, but where a lot of people are unkind to animals, especially in the name of commerce, the cruelty is condoned and, once large sums of money are at stake, will be defended to the last by otherwise intelligent people.”–Ruth Harrison, Animal Machine

Our standards are not much higher than the EU, there are countries in the EU that are higher than ours, and some are lower, If we are to import from countries such as the USA after Brexit, we will have to accept lower standards than the EU minimum, as USA have lower standards than the EU. I doubt if most people inspect the farm and abattoirs their meat comes from.

No they don't vegansrock, they just prefer not to think about it. Some can't imagine not eating meat.

I ate it as a child, then went veggie at 12, then vegan. I've never missed it, although I do like the smell of bacon cooking (for some odd reason).

My friend got me some 'This isn't bacon' vegan rashers that smell the same and taste pretty good!

People only work in abattoirs as a last resort - or because they're illegal immigrants:

www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-slaughterhouse-abattoir-spread-infection-ptsd-mental-health-a9593511.html

Callistemon, farmers just supply what we demand. As demand falls, they diversify
I know

Granny and eggs come to mind.
And no, my family were/are not livestock farmers although they were dairy farmers a few generations ago.
Nor are they poultry or egg farmers.

My friend got me some 'This isn't bacon' vegan rashers that smell the same and taste pretty good!

Why?
If I were vegan that would nauseate me, I think.

I will avoid all Danish products now. Disgusted.

As a non vegetarian, I buy organic, free range produce from suppliers that care about animal welfare, cheap meat is only cheap because of low standards on animal welfare. Same with eggs. Not a lot of families can afford to do that I'm afraid. Liars can't afford enough food to life hence good banks. It's annoying when vegetarians lecture about meat eaters not caring it's not true. If you wear leather, drink milk or wear wool, have some medicine that was tested on animals, how are these animals treated.

Vegetarians and vegans are as bad for the environment as those omnivores who eat Brazilian chickens and beef. If we all turned vegan where would the beans etc come from?

Why would farmers allow deer to wander their land and nosh on their crops if they couldn't get some return from the sale of venison?

Why would they keep the biodiverse grazing meadows, fields and grasslands when they'd get more money ploughing them up and growing beans?

In fact, if we all turned veggie/vegan we would need to plough up all the grass fields in order to grow sufficient plant stuff. There'd be no sheep grazing off beet tops and fertilizing as they go, no outdoor reared pigs cleaning the ground, and fertilizing it at the same time. We would need to feed the soil with chemical fertilizers and the land would lose substance and shrink and there'd be more flooding in low lying areas.

Yes, as a nation we need to eat much less meat. But many of us don't eat a lot, and many of us do buy local, free range, organic. British farmers are responding and looking after the land much better than the previous generation after WW2 when food had to be grown at all cost and too much land was put to the plough. We are, by nature, omnivores.

But, breeding animals purely for unneeded fur is wrong on every level.

Some meat eaters feel they have to defend their position by all sorts of ridiculous arguments. I understand why people want to eat meat- they are used to it, they’ve been brought up eating it, they like it. But don’t pretend it’s wonderful for the animals or the environment.

If you say so Vegan. If you say so.

I was shocked when I first read about the Mink farms of Denmark, it seems bizarrely at odds with everything a liberal nation such as Denmark stands for. Particularly as many of these skins go to China in their quest to embrace the worst excesses of communism and capitalism.

I remember when my late mother in law died she had a couple of mink coats that none of the female members of her family wanted anything to do with, different days. In the end my husband took them to a furriers in north London who told us that second hand coats were taken apart and refashioned for the Russian market where they also have no qualms about the wearing of fur.

NfkDumpling, you said:

'In fact, if we all turned veggie/vegan we would need to plough up all the grass fields in order to grow sufficient plant stuff.'

Totally and utterly wrong!

If we were all vegan, there would be far more open, natural spaces - as the majority of crops go towards meat production!

(If you don't believe me, do some research.)

True, breeding animals for fur is wrong (of course) - but it makes no difference, to the suffering animal, whether it's body will be eaten or it's fur used for fashion!

What I felt when I heard about this mutation was horror , the farming of wild animals is bad , the culling is dreadful , but the fact that the virus is now out there in animals is the stuff of nightmares
Does it mean out cats and dogs can catch it and pass it on ?

So where would you get all the veggies from Hetty? If the whole of the UK was vegan. Which, as someone with a garlic intolerance who hates lentils and can't stomach Dahl, won't happen in my case! And how do you keep 'heart' in the soil?

If you go vegan aggie you won't have cats as they really can't stomach a diet of just vegetables.