Who will be left in the Labour Party?

Blair , the only Labour Party leader to win three consecutive general elections.

Corbyn lost two consecutive general elections.

Plus the local and European elections Annie.

Yes Iam and the last general election Labour Party had the
worse results since 1935.

Jeremy Corbyn inspired many people the young to get involved take an interest in politics for the first time, it's become a movement for change. Its about young their lives making it a better society. The wonderful New Industral Revolution The New Green Deal tackling climate emergency. Which needs to be tackled urgently. I think Starmer has down graded The New Green Deal which is not good.

Thank goodness for the Peace and Justice Project.

No matter what anyone feels that Corbyn achieved or did not achieve that in no way authorized the right in the party to act and undermine for four years a leader that was elected twice with the largest majority ever seen in Labour Party history.

That is what the right in the party and even in this thread refuse to discuss and condemn, and then they talk of the left undermining Starmer.

Now that really is laughable.

They realised what an absolutely enormous mistake they had made by putting Corbyn into the ballot for leader! It was only done to create a bit of balance, nobody thought a Marxist rebellious back bencher with ties to dodgy groups would ever have been chosen.Just fortunate that he turned out to be a weak ineffectual leader with ideas that appealed only to a small number of Joe Public voters.

I am more than happy to discuss what's going on in the labour party but am not playing silly games I got over that when I was 10.

lemongrove

They realised what an absolutely enormous mistake they had made by putting Corbyn into the ballot for leader! It was only done to create a bit of balance, nobody thought a Marxist rebellious back bencher with ties to dodgy groups would ever have been chosen.Just fortunate that he turned out to be a weak ineffectual leader with ideas that appealed only to a small number of Joe Public voters.

So, do you believe lemongrove that entitled employees in the Labour Party Central Office and their cohorts to "allegedly" illegally undermine Corbyn just because his views and policies democratically adopted by the party did not fit with their own????!

Galaxy

I am more than happy to discuss what's going on in the labour party but am not playing silly games I got over that when I was 10.

So be it Galaxy, but you seem to be consistently posting on this thread. so, why not join the debate rather than post comments that have no bearing whatsoever on the matter under discussion.

“Allegedly “.

Anniebach

“Allegedly “.

Anniebach, even the right within the executive of the Parliamentary Labour Party no longer deny that serious organised undermining acts took place against Corbyn from within the party organisation throughout his period of leadership.

Starmer has now paid off those individuals for "services rendered" and has buried the internal report that was launched to expose the matter.

“Allegedly “. If the report was buried where is proof it
existed ?

No mention of Corbyn running a campaign to undermine
Kinnock

No mention of Corbyn refusing to take part in tv debates re
Brexit and going on holiday .

No thanks I dont follow directions from you.

Annie One of the first statements of the report is Many staff, including GLU staff and senior staff with responsibility for managing and overseeing GLU, were bitterly opposed to the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, and seem to have been demotivated, or largely interested in work that could advance a factional agenda. At its extreme, some employees seem to have taken a view that the worse things got for Labour the happier they would be, since this might expedite Jeremy Corbyn’s departure from office
You can view the report here www.guerillainvesting.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/200329-Labour-Report-Final.pdf.pdf
One of the advantages of the internet. You may think something is lost or buried- It isn't.
It would be reasonable to expect a LP leader to at least investigate and speak out about this.

In the way that Corbyn investigated and spoke out against anti semitism in the party?

Jeremy Corbyn is no longer the leader of the Labour party. The people that didn't agree with his policies or who just didn't like him, really need to accept that and find another target or bogeyman.

MayBee70 If you care to read the report you will see that it directly attributes some of the lack of investigations and actions to those very factions, who saw a way of politically undermining Corbyn. One of these being the delay in dealing with Ken Livingston. It's a mistake to think that you can lay all of the blame at one person's door, although that is obviously what those working against him hoped and achieved.

It would be better to wonder why the current leader hasn't done anything about this report and chose instead to reward some of the people named in it, in spite of legal advice that it wasn't necessary.

So, what do you want to do. Reinstate Corbyn as leader? Start a new party? What is the ultimate goal. Get rid of Starmer. Then what? The Conservative party is looking on with glee at all this. The reason this country is in such a mess is that the Labour Party under Corbyn was weak in opposition. He was a good back bench MP but he was never leader material. He has always opposed his own party and it’s what he’s doing now. I still supported Labour and voted for them when he was leader. Why can’t some of you do that now? If I’m totally honest there’s something frighteningly cult like about the adoration that surrounds him.

Yes indeed with little analysis of what he actually achieved. I dont agree with everything Starmer does, its really not difficult to say that because I dont worship him. But this doesnt happen with those who support Corbyn, there is no questioning, no mistakes, and absolutely never any responsibility for election losses, (for that is what they were however people may want to spin it), the issues within the Labour Party that Trisher described have been present for decades, honestly it's nothing new to have senior staff not doing a very good job.

MayBee70, regarding your post at 12:18 today, if the Parliamentary Labour Party and the broader movement are to remain as one, which looks less and less likely by the day, Starmer and those that surround him must realise that he and they have to lead for all in the party and not just one sector.

Starmer must also realise that the Labour movement is a democratic organisation where telling members that they cannot discuss persons and events in the organisation is wholly not acceptable. He must also include in the party executive members who hold views that Starmer may not always entirely agree with, for to have such persons in those high positions brings democracy and debate to policymaking in the party.

However, the above Starmer seems to view as "not required" and therefore no policy announcements have been made or reiterated since he became leader.

Although I believe that all in the Labour organisation would wish to see both movement and Parliamentary Party remain as one I feel that while Starmer remains as leader that idea is not practical, possible or even desirable. Hence the reason so many are wishing for Peace & Justice to become a full blown political party for those that feel there is now no home for their views in the present Labour Party.

Of course Corbyn made mistakes one of them being that he actually believed most people were working to acheive a Labour government in 2017. Most of the LP were prepared to give Starmer a chance and looked forward to a party that wouldn't be factionalised but united with real investigations into the causes of the 2017 defeat. It seems that everyone was mistaken about that. Nothing has been done and some of the deisions taken are quite frankly not socialist or Labour. That's why the unions are not supporting him and that's why he is being challenged.

The "new management " will have to own their own actions eventually. People cannot go on blaming Jeremy Corbyn indefinitely, any more than the Conservatives could go on blaming "the mess left by Labour".
The Labour party as it is now, is what matters, not continuing to talk about the past.
What should Keir Starmer be doing to improve Labour's poll ratings?
What should he be suggesting to the Government that would help the country come through the pandemic?
Should he whip his MPs to vote for an eventual Brexit deal?

It really does not look to me that it is the left wing members that can't forget Jeremy Corbyn, but the more right wing, because they no longer have him to blame for any and all mistakes and missteps.

Surely the reason that anyone is mentioning Corbyn is just that he is heading a new faction/ group ‘Peace and Justice Movement’.
He is trying to keep himself in the limelight, or others are trying to keep him there as a figurehead for what he and they believe could be a break away party to rival Labour.

But it isn't a breakaway party. That is just a bit of wishful thinking, the only place I have seen the suggestion is on this forum.