Who will be left in the Labour Party?

No, it isn’t .....yet.?
Am sure some will hope so though, possibly including Corbyn.After all, why start up something like this instead of concentrating on building up the LP, is it just to give Corbyn something to do when not on his allotment?

lemongrove

Surely the reason that anyone is mentioning Corbyn is just that he is heading a new faction/ group ‘Peace and Justice Movement’.
He is trying to keep himself in the limelight, or others are trying to keep him there as a figurehead for what he and they believe could be a break away party to rival Labour.

I think in the future it will be known as Trump syndrome.

But why keep talking about him if you don't want him in the limelight?

What matters is the current Labour party. Can nobody find anything to say about it now?

Is it just more fun for his critics to keep on being unpleasant?

Ilovecheese, here is just one of the media reports on the media regarding the Justice & Peace organisation becoming a political party. It comes from the Daily Express who certainly are no friend of Labour. It outlines how it may not become a political party in itself, but assist in the formation of such in other groups. Ether way will suit me and many others without doubt.

There is also no end to the tweets and posts on Twitter and Facebook etc and on the trade union sites snd forums, if you are a member of any, regarding the need for a new party of the left.

Link below:-
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1372087/Jeremy-Corbyn-news-Labour-leader-Peace-and-Justice-Project-explained-evg

"It comes from the Daily Express who certainly are no friend of Labour. "

Exactly.

I think it’s because it’s damaging, even in a small way ( and it may be growing into a larger way) to the PLP and Keir Starmer. After so very many years of Conservatives winning elections, anything that prolongs factionalism may be a problem.

‘Peace and Justice’.

The Jewish MP’s certainly didn’t get these

Yes, lemongrove I believe that would be true. which is why, I think, publications like The Daily Express are talking it up.

Also, it keeps the focus away from the current Labour Party, which nobody seems to want to talk about.

I think Starmer and the LP have been talked about. Those of us on the left have asked about what he really stands for and why he has voted the way he has since he took over as leader. We have questioned why the leaked report has not been acted on, why he isn't doing as the EHRC suggested, why he hasn't upheld human rights and many other questions. The answer we seem to get is that he is great in PMQT and is electable. In my opinion that doesn't mean he is a good LP member.

No being electable is not important for many. The ability to actually impact on peoples lives rather than talking about it.
I think Starmer has a long road ahead ilovecheese to answer your question. I think he is still likely to be the one who makes the party electable rather than the one who becomes PM, but I may be wrong. I think the damage that has been done in terms of voter trust will take years to unpick.

Yes, trisher I agree that you have been talking about it, and quite rightly, because the present make up of the party is what is important now, not the past.

You could well be right Galaxy

Starmer in his leadership campaign stated if elected go would uphold the policies of Labours 2019 general election campaign. However, since his election, as far as I am aware, Starmer has made no mention of policies whatsoever. In that, Len McCluskey stated a few weeks back that no one was is aware of what the Labour Party stands for at this point on any matter of interest to working people and their families.

So, can anyone inform me what is Labours policies on Zero Hour Contracts, Gig Economy Terms of Working, Social housing or revoking anti trade union legislation?

What what would be the point of electing the Labour Party into government if all the country gets is a Tory government under a different colour.

What do people think about Keir Starmer saying that Boris Johnson should change the rules for Christmas?

Have people nothing else to concern them apart from policies
of any party ? Covid perhaps

Retired well: if there was another election then there would be a new manifesto on which to base any decisions. Also the last Labour Party manifesto resulted in one of the worst defeats for Labour in living memory with no chance of overturning the current government for years. But sorry, I forget the fact that the defeat was nothing to do with the manifesto, the leader etc. It was all Keir Starmers fault.

I agree with him on that ilovecheese. I think they made the decision too quickly and now cant back down. I suppose there is an arguement that the government have provided the advice (dont do it) and it's up to the population what they do with that advice. I would be more sympathetic to that strategy if Johnson wasnt trying to be the hero of the hour, and would rather plough ahead than be unpopular.

MayBee70

Retired well: if there was another election then there would be a new manifesto on which to base any decisions. Also the last Labour Party manifesto resulted in one of the worst defeats for Labour in living memory with no chance of overturning the current government for years. But sorry, I forget the fact that the defeat was nothing to do with the manifesto, the leader etc. It was all Keir Starmers fault.

MayBee70, the policies I listed in my post at 16:29 today have been core to the Labour Party since 2016. However, it is unclear whether Starmer still supports those policies has he has not acknowledged such since his election as leader.

If that matter is to be left unclear until just prior to the next General Election, then affiliate trade union members who pay for the Labour Party every month by wage deduction may go on paying as such four another four years only to find just prior to that election that ending Zero hour contracts, Gig economy working and trade union legislation is not supported by Starmer's Labour Party.

That is simply not on and trade union political levy paying members would be better placed putting their money elsewhere now. Which is what many have already signalled to their union executives being as what they wish to do.

Retired well. Have you just joined gransnet to criticise Keir Starmer or do you have any other things you’d like to chat about?

Well it's a topic that interests at the moment Starmer and Evens getting rid of those on the left including an 84 year old Jewish lady Are they ridding the party of antisemitism as they say or socialism? A letter has been written to the leadership KS with concerns about Labour Party Democracy. I agree with what Retiredwell has to say.

So do I! As for MayBee70's question I can't see what that has to do with the discussion. Or is it just an attempt to deflect things?

Kier Starmer now faces further divisions in the Parliamentary Labour Party regarding his decision to place his MPs under a whip to support the EU trade agreement. Many Labour MPs are arguing that in supporting the bill it will take away the power to criticise any detrimental effects the agreement may have on various British industries in the future.

Several junior ministers are threatening to resign their positions over the issue with senior members of the shadow cabinet also reported to be deeply unhappy with the whip being brought into use on this occasion. Once more the issue brings into sharp focus the problem that the Labour Party has had since the referendum, that being, its supporters in the North of England are pro Brexit while it's supporters in the south are very anti-Brexit.

Perhaps now Starmer will appreciate Jeremy Corbyn maintaining a strict position of upholding the Delegate Conference policy of calling a General Election, followed by a renegotiation, followed by a second referendum.

Once more Starmer by dictating to the party rather than discussing and perswading has caused a further deep division in the movement.

Time for a real change and that will hopefully begin to come about on January 17th.

Link to the above can be found here:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/24/keir-starmer-to-whip-his-mps-to-support-thin-brexit-deal

Yes agree Starmer does dictate authoritarian.
The thing is the Brexit deal will pass without any Labour MPs voting so what is reason to back government.

Also Starmer brought in a way to attract voters, members to phone many people to ask vote Labour there is a chart with the most calls made getting a Visit from Starmer ha. He should and AR turn up at LP meetings anyway. Why would members need this as incentive!?

Then there is the case of Assange

Sir Keir Starmer is less critical of the Extradition Treaty than Boris Johnson, says John Cook

Assange’s legal team have been arguing that the Extradition Treaty is being abused in the pursuit of Trump’s ‘war on investigative journalism’. Jeremy Corbyn questioned Boris Johnson on the case in a recent prime minister’s question time. Even Johnson had to admit that the Treaty is ‘unbalanced’.

In an astounding intervention in this debate Sir Keir Starmer has managed to repeat the arguments of the US prosecution and give a more resounding endorsement of the Treaty than the Tory Prime Minister.

His "will not allow a second Independence referendum in Scotland" might have just lost him the ONE The ONLY Labour MP they have the vile Mr Murray from Edinburgh.He of the Union Jack suits .Being told we're NOT ALLOWED is a certainty that we'll push for exactly that which is NOT allowed.Though quite why Starmer thinks he can tell us that is a mystery ...he obviously doesn't know Labour party history.Keir HARDIE and Robert Bontine Cunningham Graham had Home Rule for Scotland as a core policy ..and Cunningham Graham (Don Roberto ) went on to be Leader of the. National Party of Scotland and its first MP Starmer is just another RED TORY ,socialism may be alive in the grass roots but the hierarchy want to wipe it out!

The Labour Party: for the money not the few?
Sean Rankin and Steven McCracken investigate which groups and which individuals have been funding Corbyn and Starmer.

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/the-labour-party-for-the-money-not-the-few/?fbclid=IwAR3nK2RWL5ZQFJTR86n_81o_PaX0nr3qgAeiKoSXcqNQlUj69b_uXzBGyHo

Yes indeed Starmer is a Red Tory