New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

The percentage voting up to age 54 was very similar to the percentage voting in the 18-24 age group (both mid sixties)

So I think your disdain for the young is unfair.

Rushing Sunak today says we ought not to be Remainers or Leavers anymore. We are past that. We have left the EU. He says it’s time now for us all to be ‘Believers in Britain’.

Surely we could agree to give our support this country that we all love and live in? Surely we’d get no satisfaction from seeing the UK fail? There’s no going back so why not make the best of it and have faith that we will ‘prosper mightily’?

* predictive text! Rishi of course.

It's possible to support a country and disagree with decisions that have been taken. That's democracy.

I support a tolerant, open Britain that makes connections with its neighbours.

Not a flag waving, Billy Britain forever mourning the loss of the empire. I have no interest in that Britain.

Do find Tory MPs telling us it’s time to shut up about Europe rather amusing though. Bloody cheek of it.

Urmstongran

Rushing Sunak today says we ought not to be Remainers or Leavers anymore. We are past that. We have left the EU. He says it’s time now for us all to be ‘Believers in Britain’.

Surely we could agree to give our support this country that we all love and live in? Surely we’d get no satisfaction from seeing the UK fail? There’s no going back so why not make the best of it and have faith that we will ‘prosper mightily’?

I’m quite insulted by the fact that you think I don’t love and support my country. Just because I don’t believe in the brainwashing slogans that Johnson comes out with. Prosper mightily my

Urmstongran

Rushing Sunak today says we ought not to be Remainers or Leavers anymore. We are past that. We have left the EU. He says it’s time now for us all to be ‘Believers in Britain’.

Surely we could agree to give our support this country that we all love and live in? Surely we’d get no satisfaction from seeing the UK fail? There’s no going back so why not make the best of it and have faith that we will ‘prosper mightily’?

When have you ever shown any consideration for why the people who voted to remain are still upset? When? Ever?

It's they do actually care about the values of their country that they can never forget what's happened.

You don't even appear to be able to articulate what prize you've "won".

The rifts haven't gone away.

No, it's not a good deal for anybody except a few very rich people, although better than not having a deal at all. The UK had a better deal four years ago. The Johnson camp might try to spin this as a political victory, but it really isn't. It's quite obvious that Conservative MPs received their WhatsApp instructions because many of them have tweeted the same thing and the Bongo Bozo Band have fallen for it, so it seems.

Brexit - not in my name thanks. I won’t get behind the narrow minded Ukippers and xenophobes who have created this mess, taken away freedoms and replaced them with childish slogans.

Oh are they mass tweeting again?

The fact they continue to do that despite being picked up on it every time just shows that they know they don’t have to try very hard (or at all).

I have just one request . Please could people cease and desist from quoting Richard Littlejohn. His articles as quoted in GN are revolting in their xenophobic, sneering, superior sentiments.
Fine support Brexit if you wish but have some discernment gransnetters, I am sure you are not all like him.

It would seem that the European negotiators have gained very much all they wished to have from the "agreement". They keep all the fishing rights they hold for the next five years, and only then will they have to relinquish a third of it.

The financial services sector is not included in the deal, so that remains at the mercy of new EU legislation any time they wish to bring it in.

In regards to the rest, then it would seem that Britain very much must remain aligned to European legislation or incur tariffs on products and companies that do not comply with such.

Of course, European member states must be very pleased in seeing over the last few days that turning off the "truck tap" at Dover completely shafts Britain and that they can do now any time they wish should we not be good compliment neighbours.

However, the deal keeps Britains main fresh, chilled and frozen food supplies moving for us all, so that is a benefit of at least maintaining some part of the advantages we had as a member state.

However, I do not believe that the Labour Party in the House of Commons this week should support the agreement as that will then mean that they will not be able to criticise the damage that this final leaving of the European Union will inflict in the United Kingdom. Not supporting the Bill will also mean that Johnson has to deal with the rebels in his own party to get the legislation through.

Retiredwell, I think Starmer wants to get traditional Labour voters back who voted in favour of Brexit. He has not given the deal his overall backing however and is hedging his bets by saying that full responsibility lies with the Conservatives.

“The financial sector has not been included”

Which means that it can continue more or less as before, we should be thankful for that and it’s up to each company in that sector to maintain business and prosper. My view is that Europeans will choose EU companies rather than foreign ones, I have always chosen UK products.
Whatever Brexit brings I will make the best of it, it would be stupid not to embrace the changes that will come and I’m sure most of us will

David0205

“The financial sector has not been included”

Which means that it can continue more or less as before, we should be thankful for that and it’s up to each company in that sector to maintain business and prosper. My view is that Europeans will choose EU companies rather than foreign ones, I have always chosen UK products.
Whatever Brexit brings I will make the best of it, it would be stupid not to embrace the changes that will come and I’m sure most of us will

Why do you think it will be able to continue as before?

No passporting and no recognition of qualifications...

And what changes are we going to find so cuddly? ?

I was a Remainer but I am with Urmston and Rishi Sunak on this.

Nobody knows what will happen in the future but the deed is done and we need to pull together. There are positives to be found in everything and this constant harping back to how we should have stayed in the EEC does nobody any good.

The City has lost passporting rights which means it cannot continue as before. I have never particularly bought into the idea that the enormous wealth created in the City trickles down all that well, but I am not stupid enough to think that business moving to the EU won’t impact on the rest of us.

I think talking about how we can forge closer links with the EU in the future is a very good thing indeed and not ‘harping back’. I would love to see closer educational links for example. My youngest is due to start a vocational course which used to see a European exchange - I would very much hope that can continue. I would support us rejoining Erasmus - that is a huge loss.

What is this 'pulling together' that people keep referencing with an air of sanctimony?

The next step for most Remainers will, I suspect, be endurance...and campaigning for Rejoin... Like some people campaigned for Leave from the moment we joined the EEC

And Sunak can F off.

You realise that his next plan for the UK is austerity?

Hear, hear Dragonfly ??
I was taken to task for using the word “rant” some pages ago. Well I stick by it or a close relative certainly “chunter”

Well you tried didn’t you Urms ?!

It definitely IS time for us all to put the divisions behind us and pull together as a free independent country.

There are lots of reasons to think 2021 will be a great year for us with the vaccination programme already well under way, as well as new opportunities as an independent nation.

Happy days ahead fingers crossed.

Oh dear! What will some of you have to gripe about now I wonder?

Well if you think that’s the end of negotiations with the EU forget it they are going to go on for years. No one has mentioned that Johnson has broken his promises on fishing, border in the Irish Sea, Treating NI differently etc All the extra paperwork and red tape is going to cost us dear There will be plenty to gripe about never fear.

Thank you dragonfly and Maw. You both voted Remain yet can embrace Rishi Sunak’s hopes going forward.

I truly believe the UK will come on in leaps and bounds now. And I disagree with you MaizieD I do not think RS intends to announce austerity measures in his Budget to be announced in March.

From what I’ve read it seems the Erasmus programme benefitted EU students and UK universities the mos! Our own students will now have the Turing programme. Details to be announced.

Where have all those gammons bawling for a no deal, clean break, lets go with WTO gone?