New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

But what can anyone do about it, varian?

It doesn't matter how many polls there are saying people regret their vote.

What's done is done.

That is true Lucretzia

Because we live in a sham democracy, the will of the ill-informed minority has prevailed.

The damage which has already been done to our economy, our society and our standing in the world is unlikely to be repaired in our lifetimes, possibly not even during the lives of our children.

It is time for the brexiters to stop gloating, hang their heads in shame and apologise.

It is time for the brexiters to stop gloating, hang their heads in shame and apologise

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varian

That is true Lucretzia

Because we live in a sham democracy, the will of the ill-informed minority has prevailed.

The damage which has already been done to our economy, our society and our standing in the world is unlikely to be repaired in our lifetimes, possibly not even during the lives of our children.

It is time for the brexiters to stop gloating, hang their heads in shame and apologise.

Varian the only party to campaign solely on remaining in the EU at the last election were the Liberal Democrat’s they performed badly, lost seats including the party leader.

Opinion polls are only as accurate as the person answering them, depending on how the questions are phrased.

Oh and by the way I will never apologise nor should anyone in the free world for exercising their democratic right to vote for whom they want ?

The deal then only covers 20% of our trade with the EU. It is as many have commentated a very “thin” deal.

It is clear that there are many more years of negotiations to take place, and it seems that it has largely been an exercise in avoiding catastrophe by ensuring that things like hauliers, continue to have access to the EU.

One other good thing will be the reciprocal health arrangement. Whether that means a continuation of the health card, I am not yet clear.

Many of the issues have definitely been kicked miles down the road, and this government will not be dealing with them.

In June 2016. The British public voted to leave the EU. For the following three and a half years we were told by remainers that all these old folk had now died and the young voters coming up wanted to remain in the EU. In December 2019, Boris Johnson decided to put this to the test and waltzed back in to government with an eighty seat majority.
We are out of the EU, we have left. Time we all got behind our country and worked at making it a great place to live, to work and to be part of a big wide world.
My own personal feeling is that the EU will implode as there are too many weak economies being propped up by a few relatively strong ones, not sustainable in my view.

We had a fantastic deal, but we left it. This is marginally better than no deal, but will allow Johnson to grandstand and claim it as a victory. Either way, we’re facing a very difficult 2021.

At the time of the fraudulent referendum, 17 million of the 67 million people in the UK voted leave and it is true that a disproportionate number were old so many will have since died.

Johnson only "waltzed back into government with a massive majority" because we live in a sham democracy and the majority who voted against him did not get proportional representation in the HoC.

We are facing a much, much more difficult future than if we had remained, so there is no cause for celebration, unless you count the avoidance of a no-deal brexit, which would have been marginally worse than this farcical so-called "deal".

We had a great deal as EU members, the best of any member country. There is a saying that you never appreciate what you had until you lose it. appreciate what you had until

I don't know why that last part of my post was printed twice but it is worth repeating.

There is a saying that you never appreciate what you had until you lose it.

The Partnership Council is to be set up to oversee the relationship between the U.K. and EU. It’s decisions will be binding.

It will spend 50% of its time in London and 50% in Brussels.

Well at least the U.K. is now 50% free from Europe?

Anyone in GB doing trade with Northern Ireland will now notice the difference (but Eire will cash in)

LauraNorder

In June 2016. The British public voted to leave the EU. For the following three and a half years we were told by remainers that all these old folk had now died and the young voters coming up wanted to remain in the EU. In December 2019, Boris Johnson decided to put this to the test and waltzed back in to government with an eighty seat majority.
We are out of the EU, we have left. Time we all got behind our country and worked at making it a great place to live, to work and to be part of a big wide world.
My own personal feeling is that the EU will implode as there are too many weak economies being propped up by a few relatively strong ones, not sustainable in my view.

I'm very happy to get behind my country. Why wouldn't I be? It used to have values I share.

Brexit was as much about a cultural war as anything. I most certainly don't share the values of people who voted Brexit and I don't think those who voted to remain do either.

Why on earth should I start to accept values I despise? People who voted to leave are going to have to learn to live with that.

GrannyGravy13

Oh and by the way I will never apologise nor should anyone in the free world for exercising their democratic right to vote for whom they want ?

It's a shame you don't understand what democracy is all about. It's not just about a vote. It's about government of all the people too, not trampling over their rights and feelings.

The EU won’t implode either. a) it’s about far more than trade to much of Europe & b) they’ll look at what happens here.

Passporting Financial services, it rather looks that it’s more of an issue to Expats who cannot continue with UK bank accounts, having to change to a local one. UK banks can apply for a Licence to operate in any EU state but then they have to comply with EU rules.
A major incentive for Brexit was not having to comply with the latest EU money laundering rules, and I’m sure the City will take full advantage of that, you can’t have it both ways.

Lucretzia

But what can anyone do about it, varian?

It doesn't matter how many polls there are saying people regret their vote.

What's done is done.

Yes, let them own it, but there's no reason why others should accept the values underpinning it.

“ waltzed back into government with a massive majority"

I think you’re meant to say “stonking” majority and follow it with several exclamation marks?

EU implode, don’t be ridiculous the rich economies have been propping up the weak ones for very good reasons, preventing future conflict is one the other is to sell them everything they produce. Germany is the strongest economy for a very good reason, it spends the most on supporting other states, it’s not always popular at home because they need migrant workers to achieve that.

Don’t forget very little of the UK economy is UK owned a very large slice is EU owned, we have been particularly bad at retaining possession of our industries, selling them off for a quick buck.

Loss of passporting won’t have an immediate impact because British banks have already moved a thousands of jobs to the EU. I suspect more will follow. The slow puncture scenario.

Can anyone explain to me, how taking back sovereignty squares with the deals agreement to comply with EU law in order to trade without tariffs?

The second question is that does anyone think the much advertised getting rid of bureaucracy and red tape, squares with the minimum cost of £7bn to business in customs paperwork etc.

It is very clear that Brexit is no-where near done as many are claiming. In fact it is more not done than done and successive governments will be saddled with this for decades.

Nezumi65

Loss of passporting won’t have an immediate impact because British banks have already moved a thousands of jobs to the EU. I suspect more will follow. The slow puncture scenario.

Many European banks have applied for licenses to trade in London also.