New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Not sure why there are people saying gammon doesn't refer to white people ... or men should I say!

Of course it does. Just look in any dictionary

This from the Cambridge Online Dictionary

a white man who is middle-aged (= from about 45 to 60 years old) and whose opinions are very right-wing (= supporting the political right):
He's just an old gammon stuck in the past.
What an unpleasant bunch of angry, dim-witted gammon they are.

It's just a silly slur.

vegansrock

Gammon nothing to do with race or colour- it’s the typical Brexit leader who got all frothy at the mouth when spewing out hatred. The ones who agitated for no deal.

That's just wrong.

It's been in use since 2012. Long before Brexit

Yes but surely its not a slur on the person's race, any more than gender, age or class, its their views which are the key here. It was applied in the leave campaign to certain leave leaders who fitted the bill. when it came to their views. Th fact that we all know what it refers to , means that it came into common parlance.

D’ya know what? Wouldn’t it be lovely if going forward we all stopped the silly slurs, divisive labelling and entrenched mindsets?

The UK is out of the UK now. And has a deal. A decent one too on the whole by the sounds of it. No-one howling anyway!

I’m of the opinion that most of the country are sick of Brexit. Talking about it, reading about it and seeing it on tv. Those who voted to remain in the EU (notice the kinder lowercase description there?) will continue to find, cut & paste or regurgitate articles and facts (yes of course - there are some) to back up their stance. Others, like me, continue in the same vein to back up our entrenched ‘leave the EU’ decision.

I fully believe the vast majority in the middle are about sick to the back teeth of the subject. They, like a friend of mine, ignore it as much as possible. She says the sun will still shine, the world will still turn and the grass will still grow!

As said up thread no-one can do anything about it now - except cheer, jeer or shrug their shoulders.
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It’s time to move on in my opinion. x

firecracker please name one remain leader who spewed out hatred.

Anyway, back to the treaty - its a bit thin, , has sold out fishing, and northern Ireland, despite promises that this wouldnt happen, so can't think why those who were agitating for no deal think its a good thing. Its not that much difference from Mays deal that Johnson voted against.

We are out of the EU at the stroke of midnight 31/12 please can the insults stop.

Can certainly do more. Getting Irish passports for the rest of the family (not me, unfortunately not entitled and just missed out on a New Zealand passport. I can’t leave my house for more than a week anyway so doesn’t make much difference).

Also learning French & will join movements that encourage a closer relationship with the EU.

This is the view from the NY Times

I’m with Nezumi sad day

Quite agree Urmstongran

Full NY Times article for anyone interested www.nytimes.com/2020/12/25/world/europe/brexit-britain-european-union.html

It’s description of a slow puncture is exactly what a number of friends who work in the City said shortly after the referendum.

“Brexit was always going to be a long-running hit to the U.K.’s competitiveness,” said Mr. Kibasi, the analyst. “But the way it’ll play out is by damaging investment in the U.K., so it’s a slow puncture, not a quick crash.”

We're out of the EU, we're still European. We've got a deal, it's far from perfect but it is a starting point. Surely, this is the time when we all pull together to ensure that schemes that replace the ones we've lost are fit for purpose.
Of course there are hardened Leavers and hardened Remainers but there are many on both sides who want to forge a way forwards which will build on our connections with Europe but give us some autonomy too. It is those people who will make it work, not those who are not prepared to compromise in any shape or form.

I don’t think ‘pulling together’ will work because we want different things.

And in the opinion of CNN-

"Brexit is finally done. It will leave the UK poorer"

edition.cnn.com/2020/12/24/business/brexit-deal-economy/index.html

Well we don't always get what we want, do we?

No but I cannot and will not support an increase in nationalism or an inward looking xenophobic Britain.

When the flag waving stops and the anti-Europe rhetoric dies down it might be easier to meet people half way.

Yes agree Urmstongran

"I don't think 'pulling together' will work because we want different things". Surely we all want to make as much of a success of Brexit as possible!!

Define success.

If success is sticking two fingers up at the French & talking about ‘we British’ nope, not interested

Blimey...the insults by those entrenched remain vote posters doesn’t stop does it? Never heard of ‘gammon’ applied to people before.It’s the last gasp of those who are furious with fellow UK citizens for not wanting to stay in the EU.
Should be ignored really, as immature remarks uttered by the permanently peeved.Since we are already out of the EU and now have a trade deal in place it’s high time to stop, realise where we are now and move on.
Most of the people will of course, and with Covid still around and more contagious as ever, then that’s what we need to worry about.
Resentment may bubble away on social media, but in the real world, life goes on.

Me neither. Not interested in endless obsessing about a war and fighting battles that dont exist. And freedom of expression is very important to me so I hate the talk of fifth columns in terms of the press.

Where are all those who would "rather pay than give in"? I think "we should all be friends and move on" is wishful thinking by those who thought Brexit would be a simple process.

So information so far gleaned about the deal from the Observe
1. Fishing - EU boats will ontinue to fish in U.K. waters but U.K. boats will get a greater share of the fish. The EU quota with decrease by 25% over the next 5 years. There will then be annual talks to agree the amount EU boats can catch in U.K. waters, and uK boats can catch in EU waters.
U.K. fisherman have said the Johnson has “caved in”

2. Level playing field - both sides have agreed on a minimum level, of environmental, social and labour standards below which neither must go. Reviewed in 4 years.
ERG muttering about the ability of the EU to impose punitive tariffs if we fall below acceptable level of standards.
But why would we?

3.Transport - The agreement provided for continued air, road, rail and maritime connectivity. Hauliers will be able to drive without special permits.
4.Law - U.K. will no longer follow EU law. The ECJ remains the highest court of authority in NI
5 Tariffs- the deal covers trade worth £668bn a year to be sold without tariffs or quotas - avoiding 50% duties on meat/ dairy products.
6 State Aid- U.K. will introduce its own subsidy system
7. Science - U.K. will continue to participate in the Horizon Europe programme as a paying member for 7 years. Also remain membership in Copernicus.
8. State pensions-provides for updating of U.K. state pensions for ex-pats.m
9.Students- Erasmus has gone, replacement aims to allow students to study all over the world.
10. Security- cross border policing continues but no longer part of Europoort and EUs database -alerts about people, firearms, stolen items and vehicles.
The U.K. police has lost some of its most valuable tools. Chief amongst these is the SIS - a vast database providing real time alerts to locate terrorists and serious criminals. On an average day, the British security forces access SIS about 1.65 million times.
This represents a huge intelligence void.
This is just one of a number of serious loses and issues which represents a serious diminishing of security.

11 Services sector - represents 80% of U.K. income. It is the only sector with which the U.K. has a surplus of £18bn which can be usefully offset against our £79bn trade deficit with the EU..

Basic transaction have been negotiated but that is all. Brussels has said that they are not prepared to negotiate further until it is clear that the U.K. does not intend to diverge from eu regs.

The ERG continues to insist that the deal must pass the sovereignty test, but business is complaining that sovereignty has taken precedence over a good business deal, and it seems clear that this is the case as far as services are the case.

Over the last three and a half years surveys have asked "In hindsight do you think it was right or wrong for the UK to leave the EU?"

In 2 surveys the majority thought it was right.

In 120 surveys the majority thought it was wrong.

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