New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Urmstongran

And this one encapsulates the joy for those who voted for Brexit!

Boris actually achieved what so many said he he wasn’t even attempting!

Maybe you could explain in simple terms what exactly he's achieved. Seriously!

I don't understand your reference to his not attempting.

Happy days Urms

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And this one encapsulates the joy for those who voted for Brexit!

Boris actually achieved what so many said he he wasn’t even attempting!

I haven’t seen much online either.

I did find this summary from the FT for the different sectors helpful for an overall view www.ft.com/content/bd71fda3-0a34-4b52-ae98-4769848cb628

i cannot understand why services were not included
It's all on line. Not something you will hear explained on the news.

Yeah a friend who works in the City said at the time of Brexit initially the change wouldn’t be noticeable, that companies would just open subsidiaries, but they would gradually get bigger until the office in London was the subsidiary.

I have watched over the last few years and thought that he was right - exactly what he said would happen was happening.

The deal looks as if it will hurry that along. I cannot understand why services were not included. Does anyone know why? I haven’t had much chance to watch news over the last couple of days.

If there's no passporting, and no mutual recognition of qualifications, I can't see financial services 'continuing without undue changes'.

A considerable number of financial institutions have already opened offices in the EU and transferred large amounts of money.

I suspect that London will slowly become less relevant while Frankfurt will grow.

There was a mention of services, financial trading, insurance etc, it would continue without any undue changes.
However it can be expected that as we are now out of the club the EU would expand its own financial sector, that’s a natural thing to do, especially as we have opted out of the money laundering rules.
On the other hand maybe that will be balanced out by dodgy cash from elsewhere.

Interesting Twitter discussion about Erasmus twitter.com/castlvillageman/status/1342711367212691458?s=21

I agree railman - populism is a worry. The only way to make Brexit look good is to drum up that so called patriotism. I hoped Brexit would lead to an end of that, but I honestly think it will just get worse.

You're right MaizieD - what was I thinking of

This one reminds me of an extreme nationalism populist rally - jingoism iconography.

This is a worrying trend.

Our parliamentary processes are more in tune with one of those private schools like Eton & Harrow - your either for us or against us - no room for compromise.

Our electoral system does not allow for compromise, and does not consider the views as expressed through the ballot box of s wide a range of views as possible.

But what can we trade with?

Oh, come on railman

Don't you remember? Innovative jams, pigs ears to China, and stilton cheese (to the lactose intolerant Japanese)

We'll be fiiiiiiiiine....

P.S We do a pretty good trade in arms to various middle eastern countries... we're good at armaments...

Well - at the risk of going out on a limb here - and since this agreement ONLY covers GOODS, which is 20% of the economy, perhaps someone better placed could say exactly what we will be offering to trade with the rest of the world.

I know you know we can't trade the BMW mini crankshafts, or the BMW mini which is assembled in the UK.

But what can we trade with?

It cracks me up that we get called ‘moaners’. Not moaning, just pointing out realities. E.G not having access to shared information to securities does not make us safer. That’s not moaning or opinion it’s just a fact.

Right wing of the Tory Party has been moaning about Europe for decades.

MawBe

Well at least I've provided something for you all to rant about -blah, blah, blah

Von mir aus!

Sorry?

Who is 'ranting'?

rant: to speak, write or shout in a loud, uncontrolled, or angry way, often saying confused or silly things:

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rant

Can't see any of that here...

you were ALWAYS totally independent country in a voluntary treaty with a union.You voted for the laws and rules, you benefited greatly from them.

Don't you mean We, paddyanne ie the United Kingdom?

Its amazing how having a different point of view unsettles people.

MawBe it doesn’t take much sadly. We’re on the train and it’s left the station. If it goes wrong then all the moaners will have the pleasure of saying they told us so.

Well at least I've provided something for you all to rant about -blah, blah, blah

Von mir aus!

MaizieD

It's interesting that the 'deal' seems to bind us closely to EU standards and legislation.

Deviate from them, and bang, on go the tariffs...

Surely the ERG will hate it...

That’s what I thought, but really haven’t read enough ( any) to have an opinion. I am wondering about the ERG, but I figure if he has got Labour in the bag than the ERG can go whistle.

It's interesting that the 'deal' seems to bind us closely to EU standards and legislation.

Deviate from them, and bang, on go the tariffs...

Surely the ERG will hate it...

railman

Well at least the Border Force will NOT have access in real time to EU databases about wanted criminals who enter the UK.

So that makes us all safer then doesn't it.

Quite - she deflected that with borders/immigrants shite. Still playing to the audience.