New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

I don't know anyone "who threatens to aggressively campaign to overturn the will of the people either LauraNorder thank goodness.

As has often been said here on GN if so many people were against Brexit, why did the Lib Dems do so badly in the last GE when they were campaigning for us to stay.

biba70

83% of the population think Johnson has made a real mess of the Deal- and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!

Oh, for heaven's sake, biba, please give us a link to the poll you are quoting. It might stop this pointless bickering.

Why would Boris do that biba? has he threatened to? I must have missed that as well as the nationwide poll!

I am very pleased, as are 100% of my friends who voted to leave the EU and also most of those who voted to remain are saying that they are glad it is over and we must move on.
I have a large group of calm, intelligent and democratic friends of all ages. I don’t personally know anyone who threatens to aggressively campaign to overturn the will of the people.

Callistemon

Really?

83% of the population think Johnson has made a real mess of the Deal- and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!
and 73% of Brexiters are NOT satisfied with it.

^ ^ helps.
David had no choice but to quote the wrong figures
Yes he did
Better than perpetuating a mistake which someone immediately corrected.

But of course, I knew you'd argue
???

And I suppose I should have known that you would nit pick. It was perfectly obvious what he was referring to.

When there's a poll on any given subject, the results are the % of those polled not a % of, for example everyone of voting age
which is why they are often misleading.

goodness how will Brexiter feel if Boris bulldozes the White Cliffs of Dover?

I was thinking the same thing Jaberwok, thought I must have missed the national poll.

I live with a remain voter who has been aghast at the EU's attitude following the referendum result and would have voted leave, had there been another referendum.

Everyone I know is a pleased as can be to be finally free from the bully boys that make up the EU.

Many people I know aren't although some are.

However, it is dependent on WHY those polled are not happy with the deal.

Jaberwok

Oh here we go again, veiled insults. I could say the same about you, but tbh, when people are so ill mannered, I simply can't be bothered.

What on earth are you talking about!!

Most of the people I mix with and live near are remain voters and are aghast at the government, but I wouldn’t say that is an objective assessment unlike polls which are.

Oh here we go again, veiled insults. I could say the same about you, but tbh, when people are so ill mannered, I simply can't be bothered.

Jaberwok

What I can't understand is now certain posters seem to know exactly the percentage of people who wish they had voted diferently, Has there been a national poll that has given this information? If not, how does anybody definitely know what every person of voting age thinks? Newspaper statistics, even in the sainted Guardian can, shock horror, be inaccurate! Everyone I know is a pleased as can be to be finally free from the bully boys that make up the EU.

It’s who you mix with probably. Polls should be more objective.

What I can't understand is now certain posters seem to know exactly the percentage of people who wish they had voted diferently, Has there been a national poll that has given this information? If not, how does anybody definitely know what every person of voting age thinks? Newspaper statistics, even in the sainted Guardian can, shock horror, be inaccurate! Everyone I know is a pleased as can be to be finally free from the bully boys that make up the EU.

16,52!

My post was to Maizie 16.42

I've said it all along. The reason Boris has made a hash of this is because he was a Remainer at heart and the only way to get him where is is now at number 10 was to " go with the flow ", in other words the majority who voted for Brexit.
He would never have been PM if he'd voted Remain.

I read that and have been sitting on it because I find it so difficult to believe.

But really like everything else, of course it is true if the Tories have anything to do with it.

Really?

83% of the population think Johnson has made a real mess of the Deal- and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!
and 73% of Brexiters are NOT satisfied with it.

^ ^ helps.
David had no choice but to quote the wrong figures
Yes he did
Better than perpetuating a mistake which someone immediately corrected.

But of course, I knew you'd argue
???

Callistemon

Ok, it's just that you quoted the first set which biba then corrected.

When you press quote you can't choose which bits of the post you want to quote. David had no choice but to quote the wrong figures... It was pretty obvious that, biba having made her correction, he was referencing the correct percentages...

This is a strange thing.

The original tweet was from Captain Kirk in October (yes, definitely him, has blue tick verification)

William Shatner @WilliamShatner
UK folks; looks like your government is wanting to force vendors outside of your country to collect VAT on orders being shipped to the UK staring 1 Jan. I had my staff investigate costs & it’s over £1000/yr just to file these forms via a service. That’s too much for a small store

Confirmed in this more up to date thread (i.e yesterday) that this is absolutely true.

Edwin Hayward
@uk_domain_names

This is 100% real, not a wind-up

Here are the new post-Brexit VAT rules. Basically, overseas firms are forced to register with HMRC, collect VAT then remit it to HMRC if they want to sell to UK customers.

Apparently, until now, VAT has been paid by the importer, not by the non UK supplier. This new ruling, as can be seen from the October tweet, applies world wide.
This probably means that very many smaller enterprises aren't going to deal with UK customers any more as it's not worth their while. Bizarre, isn't it? Do you think it's an attempt to make us all buy British...?

On the other hand, our SMEs are going to find it more expensive to deal with EU customers because of the increased paperwork and, if dealing in plant or animal based commodities, will need Phytosanitary clearance, which takes time.

This came up on my time line this morning (a repeat of an old tweet)

Tom Peck@tompeck
·
Dec 4, 2020
Just encountered this on website of a brilliant, industry leading, Newcastle-based small business (a plant nursery).

It's not merely that it's so heartbreaking, and so unimaginably stupid. It's that Tories did it.

^Actual Tories, smashed up small businesses, for nothing.
Show this thread^

The 'this' he refers to was a notice on the firm's website saying they could no longer supply EU customers in the EU & NI because of the new post Brexit plant health regulations. (I'd post a copy of the notice but it would get mixed up with the first part of this post.)

So, no trade in or out of the UK for the small and medium size businesses that are our life blood?

Well done Leavers...

Ok, it's just that you quoted the first set which biba then corrected.

I did take account of the correction, the only gain I can see is avoiding the EU banking rules which will suit the dodgy money in the city.

I may not be a statistician, David0205 but even I can see those percentages are awry.
(Nice turn of phrase btw.)

Which is why biba corrected her post.
and 73% of Brexiters are NOT satisfied with it.

biba70

83% of the population think Johnson has made a real mess of the Deal- and 73% of Brexiters are satisfied with it- what an indictement!

Suckers, they believed they could have their cake and eat it, you never can. I might be gloating but we have lost so much and gained nothing.

Doesn’t he have a job?