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New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

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vegansrock Thu 24-Dec-20 07:15:10

I thought this deserved its own thread. This deal is about to be announced and I’ve just heard Farage on the radio claiming it will be sellout. Trying to stir the pot already. Just wondered how it will be spun. There will be a lot of relieved businesses and relief that there is no deal at least.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Dec-20 17:44:52

We certainly won’t miss 51 y old Steven Bray from Wales.

Bray was the unsuccessful Liberal Democrat candidate for the Cynon Valley constituency in the 2019 United Kingdom general election.

I wonder what he’s doing these days? Any ideas?

MayBee70 Thu 31-Dec-20 17:52:59

He’s still campaigning and will continue to do so.

vegansrock Thu 31-Dec-20 18:40:22

Drink a toast with chateau ( shit-eau?) brexit, a bitter aftertaste and fishy aroma, goes well with chlorinated chicken.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Dec-20 18:44:32

He’s still campaigning and will continue to do so

Who pays him? Nice work if you can get it at his age. Bit like semi-retirement!

Crowdfunding I expect by a certain faction ...

Lucretzia Thu 31-Dec-20 18:45:59

I don't drink alcohol so I eu by be partaking.

It's very sad to hear of people having to jump through hoops for their businesses. It will be tricky. Pretty sure we'll adapt. Especially the young generation.

So many people have lost their jobs due to this virus as well.

Difficult times but I'm not going to waste the rest of my life fretting over a vote to leave the EU

Life is too short at the best of times

MaizieD Thu 31-Dec-20 19:19:52

Urmstongran

^He’s still campaigning and will continue to do so^

Who pays him? Nice work if you can get it at his age. Bit like semi-retirement!

Crowdfunding I expect by a certain faction ...

And so what if he is, Ug? It's really none of your business how people wish to spend their money, or how and what people want to campaign about.

Elegran Thu 31-Dec-20 19:56:34

Lucretzia

Yes, he has been anti EU ish in the past

But he's changed his mind many times

Of course he was a journalist so probably just wrote articles to suit the readership

Boris Johnson first became associated with Euroscepticism in the early 1990s, when he wrote a string of articles for the Telegraph lampooning apparently over-zealous EU regulations.

He did claim to be quite fond of Brussels at a later date.

He could have swung either way

When journalistic inspiration was thin on the ground, he wrote articles about so-called "EU regulations" which in fact he had invented himself so that he could write about them. Some of those fake rules are still believed by the gullible. So he was already influencing the Brexit vote long before it was even a twinkle in Nigel's eye.

varian Thu 31-Dec-20 20:05:15

At least Gibraltar, whose population voted 98% Remain, is to keep Freedom of Movement.

Bodach Thu 31-Dec-20 21:19:20

Urmstongran

We certainly won’t miss 51 y old Steven Bray from Wales.

Bray was the unsuccessful Liberal Democrat candidate for the Cynon Valley constituency in the 2019 United Kingdom general election.

I wonder what he’s doing these days? Any ideas?

I rather suspect all his campaigning and posturing and shouting and getting on the TV has never really been about Brexit - it's all about HIM.

LauraNorder Thu 31-Dec-20 21:24:11

Bray, hmmm, aptly named.

Mollygo Thu 31-Dec-20 22:03:20

Who knows? I don’t know enough yet.
Any good things that may happen will be hidden under a tsunami of things we’re not happy about.
The only thing that will be the same is that when things go wrong it will be the fault of the EU, the government and the fault of people who voted for Brexit’.
I just hope none of the complainers are folk who didn’t bother to vote.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Dec-20 22:18:17

Happy New Year, the one thing that is guaranteed is the sun will rise tomorrow.

Galaxy Thu 31-Dec-20 22:19:18

You have cursed us all now grannygravy grin

MayBee70 Thu 31-Dec-20 22:23:48

Bodach

Urmstongran

We certainly won’t miss 51 y old Steven Bray from Wales.

Bray was the unsuccessful Liberal Democrat candidate for the Cynon Valley constituency in the 2019 United Kingdom general election.

I wonder what he’s doing these days? Any ideas?

I rather suspect all his campaigning and posturing and shouting and getting on the TV has never really been about Brexit - it's all about HIM.

Then you don’t know him and obviously don’t know what a thoroughly decent person he is. Not someone whose political beliefs change with the wind depending on which one will further their own career (Boris Johnson). Or deprive other people of things that they will still be able to access themselves (eg Stanley Johnson).

Bodach Fri 01-Jan-21 00:01:34

"Then you don’t know him and obviously don’t know what a thoroughly decent person he is."
You are absolutely correct, MayBee70: I don't know him, and I fully acknowledge that the milk of human kindness may well ooze from every pore of his all-too-often blue-painted (with yellow stars) epidermis. The fact remains that spending day after day in Parliament Square, clad in fancy dress and shouting inanities at outside broadcasters, does not strike me as being the preferred lifestyle of a well-balanced individual. It smacks of a narcissist who relishes being in the spotlight, and who will go to ridiculous lengths to stay there.

Nezumi65 Fri 01-Jan-21 07:32:01

Something positive (I was very reassured by the politicians from across the divide coming together to sort out Westminster’s mess). That did cheer me up.

I’ve followed Irish border for a while - will miss his humour. www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/the-irish-border-signs-off-twitter-it-feels-like-i-won-the-battle-and-lost-the-war-1.4156754

Whitewavemark2 Fri 01-Jan-21 07:42:35

Well 11pm passed unnoticed by anyone in my locality. No great enthusiasm, no gullibility that we are in for a fantastic future.

vegansrock Fri 01-Jan-21 08:42:40

To those who think Brexit is done - far from it. The treaty is very thin and many areas are not covered, there will be endless negotiations and sub treaties when they find out that the red tape is hampering U.K. businesses to the extent they are loosing customers. Small concessions will be renegotiated along the line , things like security and scientific cooperation, recognition of qualifications. The nose cut off to spite face losses. Concessions will be made and brushed under the carpet. Rubber stamping and cut n pasting of EU laws which we have no part in making, all seems a dogs breakfast.

Smileless2012 Fri 01-Jan-21 08:54:00

Fireworks at 11.00pm where we are.

Spinnaker Fri 01-Jan-21 09:54:24

Unless anyone has super powers and is able to be inside every home how can one possibly know who celebrated what confused Not everyone let's off a firework, do they ?

Pantglas2 Fri 01-Jan-21 10:20:47

International Driving Permits will not be necessary, by agreement with the 27 countries. That’s £5.50 each saved in this household......?

varian Fri 01-Jan-21 11:27:30

The gloating brexiters remind me of the famous headline "Fog in the Channel - Continent Cut Off"

Jaberwok Fri 01-Jan-21 12:50:01

No one is gloating on here. Just quiet satisfaction with a job finally achieved.

Smileless2012 Fri 01-Jan-21 13:45:45

Exactly Jaberwok.

Summerlove Fri 01-Jan-21 16:01:05

Firecracker123

My comments have hit the mark with some it seems with them still harping on about Nigel Farage again, ? just amusing myself after four and a half years of Remainers trying to stop Brexit.

Interesting how you choose to amuse yourself by being nasty to other posters.