New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Happy Christmas to friends and not so friends on the Politics threads ??

Italian Prosecco* and French cassis for us today. Cheers!

(I know it should be champagne but DD prefers Prosecco)

Joyeux Noël - il neige ici.

Our local Champagne later, rib of beef with all trimmings, best of Valais wine fron Salquenen, and just in 'honour' of our PM and friends, Eton mess à la Black Forest Santé.

?A Merry Christmas truce.
Football anyone?

Have a lovely day EVERYONE ?

Wishing you all a peaceful and merry Christmas ????

Before I log out to enjoy the day - a winterwonderland here, snow arrived again last night, just in time- and now the sun is shining

''Katya Adler, Laura Kuenssberg's BFF at Brexit Broadcasting Corporation, trying to put a positive spin on the trade deal struck. Yet, there's one very important sentence buried halfway through her article: 'Remember, the UK is a service-based economy, yet this agreement hardly deals with services at all.'''

Services, not fish- is what pays for our essential services with their taxes.

You can't help yourself can you?
Have as happy a Christmas as you can manage.

Are you talking to me?

Yes, winter wonderland, wood burning stove blasting, and brilliant dinner, NOT turkey this time. Ribs of beef with all the trimmings, horse raddish and wine and Bisto gravy.

It is what it is- all this marvelling at this amazing Deal is just silly. Much better than No Deal, but not good at all. Simple as that. Truth hurts.

Loads of snow and arctic temperatures forecast for South East and Kent for 01.01.2021 - so see how this goes.

Watching the two Ronnies, thanks.

Well, well, well, whoulda thought?
Yesterday the Prime Minister was apparently given a boost when a leading group of economists predicted that Britain’s economy would surge ahead of its nearest rival, France, over the next 15 years.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research said that by 2035 the current 9 per cent gap between the British and French economies will have widened to 23 per cent, defying the predictions of many who voted Remain.

Let’s see the small print before we decide good or bad, at least we have avoided a “no deal” and tariffs. From the limited reports it seems much like the Withdrawl Agreement, where the content of any exports to the EU will be to their standards, with some kind of review after 4 yrs.

It’s nice to see reciprocal health care and other rights for expats, most of us are going to see few changes until we diverge from EU standards, a bridge we cross when we get to it.

Difficult to either praise or criticise until we see the detail, and experience the actuality.

MawBe

Well, well, well, whoulda thought?
Yesterday the Prime Minister was apparently given a boost when a leading group of economists predicted that Britain’s economy would surge ahead of its nearest rival, France, over the next 15 years.

The Centre for Economics and Business Research said that by 2035 the current 9 per cent gap between the British and French economies will have widened to 23 per cent, defying the predictions of many who voted Remain.

The CEBR is a right wing group - not exactly surprising. Sunlit uplands, freedom (that we already had) blah blah.

Priti Patel has also said we’ll be safer without access to shared security databases which is blatant nonsense so I guess we’ll have to get used to a load of nonsense being spouted (no change from pre-Brexit then).

Well at least the Border Force will NOT have access in real time to EU databases about wanted criminals who enter the UK.

So that makes us all safer then doesn't it.

There seems to be a number of references to France in this my economy will be better than yours in 5 years time competition.

I thought the trading arrangement was with the EU - 27? I guess that France are now selling more cars, home appliances and goods than German companies - Bosch, Siemens, BMW, Mercedes, Rolls-Royce, etc.

Who'd have thought.

Ah! Farage the rabble rousing wanna be MP.

Time to start a 30-year campaign to join the world's 3rd largest trading block - do you think it will work?

railman

Well at least the Border Force will NOT have access in real time to EU databases about wanted criminals who enter the UK.

So that makes us all safer then doesn't it.

Quite - she deflected that with borders/immigrants shite. Still playing to the audience.

It's interesting that the 'deal' seems to bind us closely to EU standards and legislation.

Deviate from them, and bang, on go the tariffs...

Surely the ERG will hate it...

MaizieD

It's interesting that the 'deal' seems to bind us closely to EU standards and legislation.

Deviate from them, and bang, on go the tariffs...

Surely the ERG will hate it...

That’s what I thought, but really haven’t read enough ( any) to have an opinion. I am wondering about the ERG, but I figure if he has got Labour in the bag than the ERG can go whistle.

Well at least I've provided something for you all to rant about -blah, blah, blah

Von mir aus!

MawBe it doesn’t take much sadly. We’re on the train and it’s left the station. If it goes wrong then all the moaners will have the pleasure of saying they told us so.

Its amazing how having a different point of view unsettles people.

you were ALWAYS totally independent country in a voluntary treaty with a union.You voted for the laws and rules, you benefited greatly from them.

Don't you mean We, paddyanne ie the United Kingdom?

MawBe

Well at least I've provided something for you all to rant about -blah, blah, blah

Von mir aus!

Sorry?

Who is 'ranting'?

rant: to speak, write or shout in a loud, uncontrolled, or angry way, often saying confused or silly things:

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rant

Can't see any of that here...

It cracks me up that we get called ‘moaners’. Not moaning, just pointing out realities. E.G not having access to shared information to securities does not make us safer. That’s not moaning or opinion it’s just a fact.

Right wing of the Tory Party has been moaning about Europe for decades.

Well - at the risk of going out on a limb here - and since this agreement ONLY covers GOODS, which is 20% of the economy, perhaps someone better placed could say exactly what we will be offering to trade with the rest of the world.

I know you know we can't trade the BMW mini crankshafts, or the BMW mini which is assembled in the UK.

But what can we trade with?