New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

But what can we trade with?

Oh, come on railman

Don't you remember? Innovative jams, pigs ears to China, and stilton cheese (to the lactose intolerant Japanese)

We'll be fiiiiiiiiine....

P.S We do a pretty good trade in arms to various middle eastern countries... we're good at armaments...

This one reminds me of an extreme nationalism populist rally - jingoism iconography.

This is a worrying trend.

Our parliamentary processes are more in tune with one of those private schools like Eton & Harrow - your either for us or against us - no room for compromise.

Our electoral system does not allow for compromise, and does not consider the views as expressed through the ballot box of s wide a range of views as possible.

You're right MaizieD - what was I thinking of

I agree railman - populism is a worry. The only way to make Brexit look good is to drum up that so called patriotism. I hoped Brexit would lead to an end of that, but I honestly think it will just get worse.

Interesting Twitter discussion about Erasmus twitter.com/castlvillageman/status/1342711367212691458?s=21

There was a mention of services, financial trading, insurance etc, it would continue without any undue changes.
However it can be expected that as we are now out of the club the EU would expand its own financial sector, that’s a natural thing to do, especially as we have opted out of the money laundering rules.
On the other hand maybe that will be balanced out by dodgy cash from elsewhere.

I suspect that London will slowly become less relevant while Frankfurt will grow.

If there's no passporting, and no mutual recognition of qualifications, I can't see financial services 'continuing without undue changes'.

A considerable number of financial institutions have already opened offices in the EU and transferred large amounts of money.

Yeah a friend who works in the City said at the time of Brexit initially the change wouldn’t be noticeable, that companies would just open subsidiaries, but they would gradually get bigger until the office in London was the subsidiary.

I have watched over the last few years and thought that he was right - exactly what he said would happen was happening.

The deal looks as if it will hurry that along. I cannot understand why services were not included. Does anyone know why? I haven’t had much chance to watch news over the last couple of days.

i cannot understand why services were not included
It's all on line. Not something you will hear explained on the news.

I haven’t seen much online either.

I did find this summary from the FT for the different sectors helpful for an overall view www.ft.com/content/bd71fda3-0a34-4b52-ae98-4769848cb628

And this one encapsulates the joy for those who voted for Brexit!

Boris actually achieved what so many said he he wasn’t even attempting!

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Happy days Urms

Urmstongran

And this one encapsulates the joy for those who voted for Brexit!

Boris actually achieved what so many said he he wasn’t even attempting!

Maybe you could explain in simple terms what exactly he's achieved. Seriously!

I don't understand your reference to his not attempting.

petra

^i cannot understand why services were not included^
It's all on line. Not something you will hear explained on the news.

So tell us why they weren't included.

growstuff

petra

i cannot understand why services were not included
It's all on line. Not something you will hear explained on the news.

So tell us why they weren't included.

I find that picture of Johnson...in the middle of a pandemic....nauseating. As for the one of him sitting with his legs on his desk, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a PM of this country behave in such a boorish way. I’m so ashamed.

I’m not ashamed of Boris. At all. He stuck to his guns and delivered on his manifesto.

I’m sure I read (somewhere) yesterday that this is the first time a democratically decided referendum has ever had the result delivered? As unlike, say, the Lisbon treaty etc ‘go away and think about it then vote again’.

Brilliant when a cross on a ballot box actually means something. Makes a nice change. Wonder what Nicola Sturgeon thinks of that idea?

growstuff sorry I didn’t make myself clear there. I meant that so many who didn’t vote for Leave slagged Boris off these last few months on here, saying he had absolutely no intention of trying to get a deal. He was all bluster! He was in it for his mates to make a financial killing. It would be no deal & then he and Carrie would leave No.10 in January!

Wrong.
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Urmstongran

And this one encapsulates the joy for those who voted for Brexit!

Boris actually achieved what so many said he he wasn’t even attempting!

I don't understand what you think he's achieved.

It appears to be Norway Xtra-Lite with stringent LPF conditions and, despite petra's enigmatic comments, nothing for services. And very little for fish...

Perhaps someone could enlighten us?

I think the inference from some quarters was that Boris’s intention all along was for there to be no deal, so he was just kind of going through the motions of trying to secure one.

I never believed that but he was absolutely correct in rejecting a previous offer, one which he said no Prime Minister would accept.

It was obviously a struggle so no wonder he looked delighted in one picture.

It reminded me of the joyful jubilation when the exit polls predicted a huge Tory majority in the General Election.

Is it too much to hope that the complaining and arguing about Brexit might now finally stop?!

In the Guardian today:

“France’s Le Monde saw the deal as a political victory for Johnson, who it described as an “unsinkable political machine”, if not the unqualified triumph for Britain that he claimed to have pulled off.

“His hair is more chaotic than ever, he looks wild at every appearance and seems permanently overwhelmed by events,” the paper said. “But by pulling off a trade deal with the European Union on December 24th, the British prime minister has once again shown the usefulness of pretending to be a madman.”

Urmstongran

In the Guardian today:

“France’s Le Monde saw the deal as a political victory for Johnson, who it described as an “unsinkable political machine”, if not the unqualified triumph for Britain that he claimed to have pulled off.

“His hair is more chaotic than ever, he looks wild at every appearance and seems permanently overwhelmed by events,” the paper said. “But by pulling off a trade deal with the European Union on December 24th, the British prime minister has once again shown the usefulness of pretending to be a madman.”

???????????

Ah the result of a good negotiation MaizieD.
No outright ‘winner’.
Both sides achieved something.

Now?
I’m with Boris.
‘We will prosper mightily’.

Just watch.

As for the picture of Johnson sitting with his legs on his desk, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a PM of this country behave in such a boorish way. I’m so ashamed.

Plenty of this guy!

By all accounts I've seen, Johnson has 'delivered' virtually May's deal, the one he resigned over, only rather worse because there is now a border between Great Britain and NI, a thing that, a year or so ago, 'no UK PM would ever tolerate'.

We are quite weary of repeating the Leave campaigners' promises of 'no change', not leaving the single market, easiest deal ever etc. etc. To see leavers getting excited about a second or third rate 'deal', nothing like what was promised them, is really sad...