New EU Treaty - a good deal or not?

Whitewavemark2

I think the priority is not rejoining, but to improve the deal, which of course won’t be difficult, particularly as the EU have paved the way to do so in the agreement.

I agree.

Urmstongran

I’m glad a deal is about to be announced. If both sides feel they’ve ‘lost’ something they wanted that’s good negotiation.

To be honest after 4+ years im sick of talking about it now. Negotiations will doubtless go on for months as and when but not big news headlines all the time.

Brexit is done next week. We are out. Finally.

Is this your next tattoo UG?

I think the priority is not rejoining, but to improve the deal, which of course won’t be difficult, particularly as the EU have paved the way to do so in the agreement.

Firecracker123

Year 2041 Rejoiners still harping on lol

Which would still be decades less ‘harping’ than the Tory right.

Year 2041 Rejoiners still harping on lol

Firecracker123

12:22Lucca

Didn't expect it would be to A Sour Graper ?

Is it to anybody one wonders

12:22Lucca

Didn't expect it would be to A Sour Graper ?

We still have close ties with the EU through the treaty which actually isn't as good as Mays which Johnson and others railed against. Bunch of chancers. Its obvious, leavers actually didn't care about fishing or NI, as they have just rolled over on these ones. If people feel happy celebrating loosing freedoms and impoverishing many, then enjoy. As for all the predictions that most people in other membership states are envious of the UK - well that one hasn't happened, despite the claims the there would be a whole whale of countries following our example back in 2016.

I dont think people tend to use Twitter like that though MazieD, they do stay in their bubbles and rarely stray from their comfort zone.

Goodness me, MaizieB!

That did make me laugh

I have friends and relatives who voted Remain. Some voted Leave.

I've read on GN many times that it would be impossible for them to mix with Tory and Brexit voters

Personally I find that amazing.

I'm very capable of remaining friendly with people from all walks of life

But a lot of GN posters don't agree

Nezumi65

Firecracker123

Perhaps not The Deluded rather The Sore Loosers ? or The Sour Grapers, or They Think They Know It Alls But Have Got Every Referendum and Election Wrong. ?

This is helpful how?

Not helpful but spectacularly hilariously witty and amusing............not

Parliamentary democracy is working MaizieD and always has been.
Glad you will have some bubbly, it will perk you up ( for whatever reason you drink it)
Closer union to the EU.....not going to be happening, please don’t waste the rest of your life on a pipe dream.

lemongrove

MaizieD Of course.....only intellectuals like yourself understand anything about politics (not) ......go on have a glass
Of something sparkly??

Well, instead of being snarkey why don't you refute my proposition? It's always interesting to know how others understand concepts. Especially important ones like parliamentary democracy .

I'll have some bubbly tonight. I shall drink to future comrades in the campaign for closer union with the EU

Lucretzia

Not sure who Simon Harris is

I was reading an article yesterday and it mentioned Twitter and how people seem to believe it reflects the real world.

It doesn't.

Simon Harris is just a person. The same way that we are all just 'people', nothing special about any of us but collectively we can, from time to time, have some influence on how our affairs are run, at local and at national level. Which is as it should be. So the views of an ordinary person are perfectly entitled to consideration. They're not unimportant just because they're not well known.

Twitter is fascinating because, contrary to journalistic opinion, it represents an enormously diverse cross section of people. You can find experts in their fields in just about any topic you care to name and explore all sorts of byways connected with your own particular interests, or even develop some new interests.

Of course people tend to stay in their bubble, like staying with like, but it's also absolutely possible to leave your 'bubble' and explore others, even those that you know you will loathe...

The 'real world' is far more constraining and limited than twitter

As a result we were constantly reacting to EU positions throughout and even agreed to negotiate from an EU text rather than a U.K. one. Unsurprisingly, the agreement ended up being mostly what the EU wanted

We negotiated from an EU text? What? We didn’t even have our own? OMG. Well that’s made me laugh.

Reasons why the deal is not so good www.politico.eu/article/5-reasons-uk-failed-brexit-talks/

If he's still talking about it, sounds like he has dawdled a bit Lucretzia. (Bit like me with the Irish passports - it's only now that they are needed).

If I understand it correctly, I am French. My mother was born in France, her mother was totally French as was her grandfather. So for me it is about reclaiming what I already have. And that makes me very happy,” said the 80-year-old Johnson, who was speaking in French

I will always be a European, that’s for sure. One cannot tell the British people: you are not Europeans. Having a tie with the European Union is important,” he added

we didnt want a deal .i wonder whats coming?

Nezumi65

Stanley Johnson is celebrating www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-johnson-father-idUSKBN2950VV?taid=5feda95fe423ce000125eb07&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

This was initially reported in March, Nezum65

I'd have thought he'd have got one by now

“We will get rid of the red tape said the leavers

Lots of kind messages from the EU like this one.

Terry Reintke
@TerryReintke
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I know this is a hard day for millions of citizens in the UK.

Tonight so many rights and freedoms come to an end.

Looking ahead, I pledge to still have you in my mind when taking decisions in the European Parliament.

Never forget: We will always be stronger together.

Stanley Johnson is celebrating www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-johnson-father-idUSKBN2950VV?taid=5feda95fe423ce000125eb07&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Urmstongran
No fear of that. There is no insult bad enough that could burst my joyous bubble.
Oh, just realised I've given them some fresh meat joyous bubble ??

Ken Clarke and Major are streets ahead of their current Parliamentary Party members.

I linked to an article a couple of days ago which looked at whether Johnson could really call himself a one nation conservative. It concluded that as he booted out most of the socially liberal Tory MPs he couldn't really claim that title. It described him as a nationalist. I would never vote Tory but the shift to the right really concerns me.

And call fall at the stroke of a keyboard though Maybee, Twitter tends to spit people out very easily. And it is true that Twitter in no way reflects the opinions of the general public