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The other title is totally out of sink- this is orchestrated fascism

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biba70 Wed 06-Jan-21 21:29:06

in the USA, right not. Let's not talk about 'throwing toys out of pram'.

Never forget the armed thugs and domestic terrorists currently storming the Capitol in Washington DC, didn’t come from nowhere.
They are the end result of a carefully orchestrated strategy to destabilise the US, allowed to work by the power-greed and self-interest of politicians and media pundits, at least some of whom knew what Trump was and that his dog whistle fascism was very wrong.
There are many, many connections between Trump’s story and the people currently running the U.K. - not just similarities but the same shadowy figures, the same strategies, the same data harvesting and dark disinformation campaigns.

Elegran Thu 07-Jan-21 08:58:16

Maybe they did, Mokryna, but were not making the fact public until Trump was no longer President. He would have had them charged with treason for conspiring against him.

mokryna Thu 07-Jan-21 06:36:27

A few years ago it was suggested that certain people working in the White House were trying to keep the President under control. It is a shame they didn’t leave listening devices.

Baggs Thu 07-Jan-21 06:34:22

Pence and McConnell seem to have turned tail at the crucial moment. It has been my hope throughout the US elections that the Constitution and democracy would withstand Trump's worst. They have.

Baggs Thu 07-Jan-21 06:28:48

The important thing, Biba, is that the coup failed.

mokryna Thu 07-Jan-21 06:26:50

His accounts both with Twitter and Facebook have been blocked now.

Lolo81 Thu 07-Jan-21 06:17:11

From what I’ve seen and read even if they do try and impeach him via the 25th amendment it would require 2/3’s of both houses to pass because he would object.

Given the the timeframes involved with less than 2 weeks before Biden takes office it’d be an exercise in futility.

Ideally there would be adults in the Oval who confiscate his phone and lock him in his bedroom for the next fortnight!!

Mamardoit Thu 07-Jan-21 05:18:50

Sorry Who's stopping him.

Mamardoit Thu 07-Jan-21 05:01:06

They need to get that man out of the White House. Men in white coats and him in a straight jacket. Is there really no way they can do this even at this late stage?

How can they leave him in charge. He wants to start a civil war in the US and if he chooses to nuke China......whose stopping him?

GagaJo Thu 07-Jan-21 00:22:18

Biba and WWM, I see the links between them and us. Less so now, I think the UK govt have at long last realised the severity of covid even if they are still hugely mismanaging it. But in the first few months, it was a free for all of bungs to their mates. Easy money etc. Like vultures picking at corpses.

It seems almost unbelieveable to me that the Trump lunacy should follow Obama. But I guess when you have a culture so firmly built on the sin of deep, institutional racism (slavery), any move away from it will have a strong counter reaction.

I am no historian, but is there a precedent for this in other historical events?

absent Thu 07-Jan-21 00:12:44

I think the situation is that if the inauguration cannot take place on 20 January, it will still be valid if it takes place before the end of January. I am not sure what happens if it doesn't. Presumably, the Presidency temporarily reverts to the Speaker of the House until it can take place.

Lolo81 Thu 07-Jan-21 00:03:46

Will be interesting to see if they ratify the election in congress - they’re planning on continuing tonight.
If the Republicans apply some common sense they could reunite their party and some of their dignity by forgetting all of this nonsense they’ve been espousing!

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:52:07

In a weird way America could come out of this smelling of roses, if it shows it’s democracy is strong and the population becomes less divided as a result of policies over the next four years.

But it must be very intelligent in its actions.

Chewbacca Wed 06-Jan-21 23:43:05

I've been watching CNN news live and they've just reported that one of the people shot in the Capitol building has now died. One other, also shot, in critical condition. They're talking about invoking the 25th Amendment.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:40:09

Lies have brought about this situation.

We have our own home grown liar who needs condemning.

We know that leaflets have been issued encouraging people to lie to win a point.

It must stop.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:35:33

Trump can’t be allowed to delay the inauguration! Even if it takes place in the WH and televised. It must go ahead.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:33:48

Callistemon

mobile.twitter.com/DwyaneWade/status/1346951525084512257

Thanks
. I did find it funny.

Buffybee Wed 06-Jan-21 23:33:14

Thanks for the link Callistemon!
Hilarious!

Callistemon Wed 06-Jan-21 23:32:27

Thinking not thing

Callistemon Wed 06-Jan-21 23:32:10

And there was me thing that mace was that aromatic stuff which you get on the outside of nutmeg and use in cooking.

Farmor15 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:31:27

If you heard Jon Sopel on BBC news it was not a minor protest. They prevented the ratification of Biden and Jon suggested Biden’s inauguration on 20th Jan might be in doubt.

Callistemon Wed 06-Jan-21 23:28:24

mobile.twitter.com/DwyaneWade/status/1346951525084512257

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:24:46

I wish I could do links.

Elizabeth was upset because she got mace’d and said I only set foot into the building, I was trying to join the revolution??????

Callistemon Wed 06-Jan-21 23:17:59

Whitewavemark2

It was insurrection which is a serious incident incited by Trump.

Yes, protest was the wrong word to use.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Jan-21 23:15:54

It was insurrection which is a serious incident incited by Trump.

Elegran Wed 06-Jan-21 23:15:06

Treating him as a laughing stock is probably the best way to react. Sorting out the reasons for the unrest that gave him a chance to act as he did would be another good way forward. Show the dissatisfied that there are people in power who DO care about them.