A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Maybe some would accept your offer Urmstongran when you can guarantee all the ingredients for tea are available, including for those in Northern Ireland?

And it doesn’t stop Remainer’s thinking they can just overturn a democratic vote in a cavalier fashion PippaZ which is what Leavers find so utterly condescending.

In a democracy 'anything' can be overturned if enough people vote for it. Do you not understand that, Ug?

If a party were to stand in the next General Election on a manifesto promise of rejoining the EU and it won, then rejoining the EU would be a democratic act.

This is a hypothetical, btw, before you get arsey about 'Remainers' wet dreams'

(And I will never have enough common ground with you or other Leavers that would induce me to have tea with them. So count me out of your little party..)

Well it’s just pizza from Sainsbury’s. No shortages of foodstuffs in there today.

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Can't help but make things personal can you UG?

We have left the United States of Europe, we are still part of Europe (unless someone has towed the UK into the Atlantic without us noticing)

Being bitter and vindictive to those who voted leave, continuously going over the same old arguments doesn’t benefit anyone.

Most leave voters have stopped posting on the political threads due to the constant drip drip drip of insults and snide remarks.

However we do not report these, it’s better to leave them on threads for all to see.

I’m a bitter person, too. I don’t want to be friends with people who voted leave. I do have a few acquaintances that I’d so and they all slip the odd racist comment into conversations. I never agree with them or even respond to their comments but they never notice. I’m not saying that every leave voter is racist but the ones I know are. I can’t unfriended them completely but it makes for very difficult situations where I have to walk away biting my lip. Of the people I regard as close friends none of them voted leave. And new friends that I’ve made over the past few years through anti brexit political campaigns have turned out to be people who I find I have much more than just politics in common with. I’m just saying it as it is: I even have good friends who vote Conservative now because they campaigned alongside me. I’m not bitter and twisted: it makes me angry but it isn’t eating me up inside.

Gaga read the thread.
I was being nice. Truly.

MayBee you are contradicting yourself.

Your last posts starts up ‘I’m a bitter person too I don’t want to be friends with people who voted Leave’ ... then you finish up saying ‘I’m not bitter and twisted’.

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Can’t we try to be kinder? As in - not to make things so personal over Brexit? You got a vote. I got one. We’re quits surely!

The thing is, we CAN disagree and argue violently about issues but should not fall to making personal comments. All we did was put a bit of paper in a ballot box. It is the politicians that are screwing up. It doesn't insult a person personally to say the PM or an opposition MP is a waste of space, idiot etc.

But when we turn that on the poster, calling them 'bitter' or 'mean spirited' it is personal.

Some things ARE intolerable. Racism. Homophobia. But otherwise it is just a difference of opinion.

Gaga ... THIS was the comment I thought mean spirited & bitter ...

And I will never have enough common ground with you or other Leavers that would induce me to have tea with them. So count me out of your little party..)

Wowzer!
See what I’m getting at here?

Which is also why I stay über calm. Getting riled up gets one reported. It’s not worth a smack down from the moderators.

Play nice is my motto.
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Urmstongran

MayBee you are contradicting yourself.

Your last posts starts up ‘I’m a bitter person too I don’t want to be friends with people who voted Leave’ ... then you finish up saying ‘I’m not bitter and twisted’.

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Can’t we try to be kinder? As in - not to make things so personal over Brexit? You got a vote. I got one. We’re quits surely!

Yes. The minute I clicked post I realised that you’d pick up on that. The first sentence was meant to be a I’m Spartacus moment in response to what Maizie had said.

Urmstongran

I completely understand MaizieD about a democratic vote. Just can’t get my head around why this one hasn’t been accepted!

(cue varian coming on and telling us ‘you mean the unlawful referendum’) 3, 2 1 ...

If Starmer wins on a ticket to rejoin (upfront and not sneakily through the back door which I think is what the LP will try to do) absolutely I’d respect the outcome. I’d think ‘bugger’ but I’d stand with the majority vote. It’s in my nature you see.

Whereas, if you don’t mind me saying you are one bitter individual over the referendum aren’t you? If I extend a hand of friendship you’d bite my fingers.

If you hold onto that bitterness it’ll just eat you up inside. Try to let that toxic emotion go.

Yes, absolutely do call out when you uncover false promises or bad administration. But mean-spirited posts don’t help anyone.

You included.

You’ll miss meeting up with a lot of nice, fun & kind people if you rigidly hold that line.

Some people have been complaining about the EU since we joined. They haven't stopped. They didn't accept the democratic vote. So why should those of us who would like to rejoin accept the last democratic vote?

Dinahmo, you seem to assume that we'd be welcomed back! Brexit is a mere drop in the ocean of our troubles anyway now.

The pandemic is devastating - as will be it's aftermath - yet the worst possible thing on the horizon, climate change, threatens us with extinction.

So, fingers in ears, rose coloured specs on, let's deny or ignore it, shall we?

Well said Hetty58.

Urmstongran

Well it’s just pizza from Sainsbury’s. No shortages of foodstuffs in there today.

Are you sure. I couldn't join you in a pizza even if I wanted to and today - when I picked up my click and collect - there were several items missing and they were all 'special' ones. I am still managing to get some things by post but, if the first lock down is anything to go by, there are shortages which people are making up for from the "Free From" isle. Either that or some of our own producers are finding it difficult to get the basic ingredients.

How long will it be before you notice the fruit is not coming in? You can't live on pizza for ever.

Hetty58

Dinahmo, you seem to assume that we'd be welcomed back! Brexit is a mere drop in the ocean of our troubles anyway now.

The pandemic is devastating - as will be it's aftermath - yet the worst possible thing on the horizon, climate change, threatens us with extinction.

So, fingers in ears, rose coloured specs on, let's deny or ignore it, shall we?

That is simply not logical. Why do you assume that someone who thinks we would have been better off staying in the EU, and would now like to work our way back to a closer relationship, is not aware of the issues and challenges coming from the pandemic.

Not logical at all.

I’ll let you know when it’s not in PippaZ. We got bananas, Braeburn apples and a tub of blueberries today which were on my list. So far, so available.
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I had a Morrisons delivery today, everything I asked for was delivered except for deodorant (?) olives, olive oil, spices , pasta, loo rolls , fruit, including a pineapple and plenty of Wonky veg, pizzas, all there.

You did better than me at Morrisons Oopsadaisy1, mine was missing celery (for the second time), cashew nuts, oranges, olives, lemongrass, broccoli, and romaine lettuce.It’s annoying when you only do click and collect once a week.

I hate to tell you Urmstongran but in the list of people I don't actually know those who do not seem to understand democracy do not come high. I don't mean that I wish you ill, of course I don't, but there are reams of people I would rather hear about.

^To abandon facts is to abandon freedom.” to quote Timothy Snyder and just as the followers of Trump were prepared to abandon facts so were those who want to "win" so desperately when it came to the EU.

I think the pile-on on Urmstongran is becoming uncomfortable.

GrannyGravy13

I think the pile-on on Urmstongran is becoming uncomfortable.

Interesting. How many constitutes a pile on?

You’ll miss meeting up with a lot of nice, fun & kind people if you rigidly hold that line.

I don't think so Ug. For a start, I'd be meeting up with people with no moral compass whatsoever; who were prepared to vote for a known pathological liar as PM for our country. Also with a pretty well documented tendency for racist comments...

Then, from posting on this forum for the last few years I have observed that Leavers tend to be:

anti immigration,
anti asylum seekers, and
anti spending money outside the UK, e.g on foreign aid.
Also, a touch of anti state welfare

Really not my sort of person at all, thanks all the same.

I am with you on not enjoying the company of that type of person Maizie. It isn't fun, wincing when the offensive comments are slipped into the conversation.

However, I do have to work with some like it. A covid denying, mask refusing, borderline racist. I make polite work conversation and tell him I disagree when he starts. And walk away.