A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

UG posts-

"Oh varian I’m sorry to disappoint but we (everybody - suppliers + customers) were being warned as far back as early October that there would be ‘bumps in the road’. Things will sort themselves out we just have to have a bit of patience. And faith. Which I have and most of you don’t. You don’t have businesses either. "

A bit presumptious, and totally fallacious, UG to assume that no-one who did not support brexit has a business. Just look at the record.

The CBI and the small business organisations and all of our our professional associations were, and still are, totally opposed to your brexit nonsense.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 if the EU decides not to export medication to countries who are not part of their club then surely the anger should be directed towards them?

I shall wait to see if my usual medication is awaiting for me in February (all produced in the EU)

You post shows that you still don’t understand. For heavens sake!! Your vote has caused real and existential problems.

You are both way off the mark. Blaming others for the result if your vote simply doesn’t cut it.

Leavers were warned and warned of the consequences.

My son sold a football programme for £5 on eBay to someone living in Spain. He had to print off a custom declaration, spend 5 minutes filling it in and stick it on the envelope. No one will read it and it is a complete waste of time, not mention energy and paper. Imagine that kerfuffle multiplied millions of times by all sorts of traders. No wonder business person will stop bothering .

Whitewavemark2 if the EU decides not to export medication to countries who are not part of their club then surely the anger should be directed towards them?

I shall wait to see if my usual medication is awaiting for me in February (all produced in the EU)

No I didn’t think that at all WW.

Plus the Remain campaign did not say that would be the outcome if we didn’t vote ‘their’ way.
I do recall a poster who regularly told us about isotope shortages but has never mentioned it since so I presume that hasn’t happened either?

I genuinely do not believe our government would jeopardise our health. Negotiations on medicines will have taken place over many months. Nothing in the news about adverse outcomes?

Urmstongran

I don’t ‘sit back’ and enjoy anybody’s ill health WW. That was a pretty insensitive remark.

I’m very sorry indeed dragonfly to hear your change of medication is causing you to have side effects.

When we buy a branded drug like Neurofen which is expensive, we are reassured to be told that generic ibuprofen works just as well. We are paying the branded firm for their advertising costs etc.

I wonder what your doctor thinks?

I hope you get it sorted soon. I’m genuinely sorry you are struggling.

Read what my post said.

But saying that did you believe at the time of your voter leave that very sick people would struggle as a result of your vote?

Meanwhile I wish you well as you enjoy your sovereignty

I don’t ‘sit back’ and enjoy anybody’s ill health WW. That was a pretty insensitive remark.

I’m very sorry indeed dragonfly to hear your change of medication is causing you to have side effects.

When we buy a branded drug like Neurofen which is expensive, we are reassured to be told that generic ibuprofen works just as well. We are paying the branded firm for their advertising costs etc.

I wonder what your doctor thinks?

I hope you get it sorted soon. I’m genuinely sorry you are struggling.

dragonfly46

I have already come a cropper to Brexit.
One of my cancer medications is no longer available so it has been substituted by a more generic one which is causing me many unpleasant side effects.

I feel desperate for folk like yourself. The children with severe epilepsy are suffering so unnecessarily.

Meanwhile the leavers sit back and enjoy their sovereignty.

I have already come a cropper to Brexit.
One of my cancer medications is no longer available so it has been substituted by a more generic one which is causing me many unpleasant side effects.

A voice of reason GG13 thank you for your very timely posts! That’ll shut them up.

Joke.
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Oh varian I’m sorry to disappoint but we (everybody - suppliers + customers) were being warned as far back as early October that there would be ‘bumps in the road’.

Things will sort themselves out we just have to have a bit of patience. And faith. Which I have and most of you don’t. You don’t have businesses either. But you do get very het up.

Even on DAY 8.

Whitewavemark2

It will be interesting to hear more as the year progresses.

I totally agree with you on that.

It will be interesting to hear more as the year progresses.

I cannot answer for my suppliers, but we have placed orders (I am using the royal we as I haven’t physically been into the office since March 2020) since opening after the holidays, had confirmation of said orders and delivery predictions only a couple of days longer than 2020.

GrannyGravy13

Our suppliers are worldwide MaizieD

Be interested in your answer to Maizie’s question, because I’m not sure how the VAT question will ever work

Our suppliers are worldwide MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

I do have a business, attached are the new customs forms we have to fill in, not exactly mind boggling??

Do you have suppliers in the EU?

If you do, are they happy to register with HMRC and collect VAT to remit to them on everything you purchase from them?

I gather that a lot of companies, world wide (because this requirement is global) are saying 'Stuff it' and choosing not to trade with the UK any more.

The thing is Ug that my DH spent a great deal of his working life employed by a British firm providing IT services across Europe and the rest of the world. He was there before the single market and afterwards. He could give you chapter and verse about how much easier it became in Europe after the introduction of the single market, how the company was able to expand and how much more revenue they were able to bring in to the UK economy.
That is what has been given up. Trade and business is suffering and the UK will be poorer. You may thing that is worthwhile, but please stop describing these things as temporary glitches. They are not.

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I do have a business, attached are the new customs forms we have to fill in, not exactly mind boggling??

Urmstongran

It’s showing we will be on our way to a positive soon enough WW as businesses get slicker at the new rules & regs. After 40+ years of doing business in a certain way, complaining on DAY 8 is unreasonable.

Do you have a business, UG?

You know what? The Leave Campaigners promised that nothing would change. They promised that everything would be better . I don't think the prospect of MORE RED TAPE, regulation and COST, which makes things worse is thrilling any business at all.

But perhaps you can tell businesses how they can absorb more costs and cope with more paperwork without losing their competitive edge. All you Brexit geniuses seem to know so much better than they do...

I am very disappointed in UG. I did think she might come up with something better than "bumps in the road"

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

suttonJ

UG....I await your post with interest. I remember how keen you have been on telling us of the positives of Brexit.

These are bumps in the road. Hauliers now need the correct paperwork for each country they pass through. Practice makes perfect. As this involves money they’ll sort it out. We are only on Day 8. In the middle of a Covid crisis here & in Europe too.

So is that a positive or negative?

It was entirely predictable. The only answer any Leaver has for people whose lives and businesses their vote has made difficult or impossible is 'they'll get used to it'. Or the even more pathetic 'we used to do it before we joined the EU'.
These people have enjoyed unfettered freedom of movement and frictionless trade for decades. It's a banal response and must be* rage inducing for people who never voted for it.

(* not 'must be' , but is...)

It’s showing we will be on our way to a positive soon enough WW as businesses get slicker at the new rules & regs. After 40+ years of doing business in a certain way, complaining on DAY 8 is unreasonable.

Urmstongran

suttonJ

UG....I await your post with interest. I remember how keen you have been on telling us of the positives of Brexit.

These are bumps in the road. Hauliers now need the correct paperwork for each country they pass through. Practice makes perfect. As this involves money they’ll sort it out. We are only on Day 8. In the middle of a Covid crisis here & in Europe too.

So is that a positive or negative?

In the 60s, when I sent or received presents, we used take off the wrapping and on the postal paper say used goods left on last visit. This avoided extra payment tax.
Once I received a big parcel from a manufacturer and the postal service here wanted some money to cover the taxes. As I didn’t know what was inside I refused the box. They were very surprised but I was not going to pay for something I didn’t like.