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Good Post-Brexit news!!!

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Sarnia Sat 23-Jan-21 10:05:27

Despite all the doom merchants saying that Nissan would close their Sunderland plant, the company have confirmed that they are here to stay as 'Brexit gives them a competitive advantage'. As Nissan employ 75,000 people there must be some very relieved and happy employees and their families in the North-East. Happy Brexit news!

Smileless2012 Sat 23-Jan-21 10:07:01

Yes it is good news Sarnia and as you say, there must be a lot of happy and relieved families in the North East.

MaizieD Sat 23-Jan-21 10:12:26

We've already 'done' that on another thread..

It's pathetic that a company not leaving the UK because of Brexit is considered to be good news.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 23-Jan-21 10:14:14

How ridiculous.

It shows the measure of Brexit when good news is a factory not closing because of Brexit.

It remains open in spite of Brexit.

Kim19 Sat 23-Jan-21 10:17:58

Lovely. Thanks for sharing. Very happy for all those in the North east whose jobs are secure for whatever reason. I feel uplifted even though it has no immediate bearing on my life whatsoever. Good news is great at any time.

vegansrock Sat 23-Jan-21 10:30:12

Great news- factory stays open. Not to mention all the businesses which are closing.

NotSpaghetti Sat 23-Jan-21 10:47:41

I think it's good news that the status quo is preserved by massive government funding (apparently).

Smileless2012 Sat 23-Jan-21 13:29:45

Why is it ridiculous Whitewavemark for people to see this as good news? I'm sure there'd have been plenty of those opposed to Brexit posting about this particular factory if it had closed down.

cornishpatsy Sat 23-Jan-21 13:47:16

Yes it is good news.

I am still waiting for the miles of queues of lorries at ports and the food shortages that the doom merchants forecasted.

EllanVannin Sat 23-Jan-21 13:56:14

This news was given out before Christmas. I remember being relieved because our Gilly lives in the NE which would mean that the area wasn't dying off.

MaizieD Sat 23-Jan-21 13:56:28

cornishpatsy

Yes it is good news.

I am still waiting for the miles of queues of lorries at ports and the food shortages that the doom merchants forecasted.

Well, we're not seeing them because, due to the imposition of our government's masses of red tape and new rules for collecting VAT for importers and exporters and the resultant difficulties of getting anything delivered to or from the EU, there are very few lorries moving anywhere.

The result will be similar. No lorries = no supplies

Meanwhile, the Irish have set up new ferry crossings direct to EU ports (so they don't have to cross England an Wales to get to the usual ferry crossings) and they're doing a roaring trade. No holdups in either direction in Irish ports because they are in the EU and have all the frictionless trade benefits of the Single Market which Leave voters have tossed out of the window.

Tell me again. What are the benefits of Brexit?

muse Sat 23-Jan-21 14:19:13

I read about this too on another thread MaizeD. The phrase:
Brexit gives them a competitive advantage'. was questioned by you.
You wanted to know how it was an advantage. I read the Guardian clip posted and it stated what how it was an advantage.

It is looking possible that they plan to make the 62kWh batteries in Sunderland instead of buying them in from Asia. This will produce more jobs in Sunderland.

This statement in the Guardian is interesting: Nissan’s comments will likely be seen as a boost for the government at a time when many other manufacturers have complained of extra costs and disruption at ports because of Brexit. The Brexit deal has added new customs paperwork, but Gupta (Chief Operations Officer) argued the costs were “peanuts” compared with the effects of the Covid pandemic or natural disasters. “For a global manufacturer who is running 150 markets and 14 plants around the world, to have additional documentation, to fill in a form at the border, is nothing,” Gupta said.

Much of the extra paperwork relates to the complex rules of origin that govern whether an export is tariff-free or not. Nissan said that all of the cars manufactured in Sunderland contained enough UK or EU content to avoid tariffs, with the exception of the longer-range electric Leaf.

This 'rule of origin' will surely apply to many UK companies whether they are big or small.

MaizieD Sat 23-Jan-21 15:30:40

“For a global manufacturer who is running 150 markets and 14 plants around the world, to have additional documentation, to fill in a form at the border, is nothing,” Gupta said.

Yes, it's fine for large companies which can absorb the costs. That is really self evident. How it gives Nissan a 'competitive edge' is more difficult to understand. It already had no problem exporting to the EU. That's the whole reason they came to Sunderland in the first place.

They do depend on JIT deliveries from the EU for some of their components. Some of which even do several journeys in and out of the EU at various stages of their manufacture. Whether this can be maintained is an interesting question as lorries are delayed at borders for customs checks.

I can see why this is considered to be 'good news' in respect of the fact that the NE will retain the jobs and even, perhaps, gain some more. But this is really 'good news' despite Brexit, not as a result of Brexit.

The latter is what we Remainers are all agog to hear, but the silence is deafening.

muse Sat 23-Jan-21 18:22:54

MaizeD
From previous news about Nissan, I doubt it would have happened. However, not only is the factory staying, it's is growing.

The new jobs are created as a result of Brexit. There was a Financial Times article yesterday that explains what Nissan are doing, how and why much of which is due to the Brexit. Plus how it gives Nissan the edge on other car manufacturers in the light of petrol phaseout.

www.ft.com/content/d2489ca9-0327-4a85-88c8-d6e7ca4eca55

I joined gransnet just under a week ago so haven't read a huge amount of threads but I have to disagree with your last sentence. I read one thread last night where some had 'good news'. This was then not accepted by Remainers who 'put them right'. I could say more but I feel I have to be careful here with gransnet's talk guidelines.

MaizieD Sat 23-Jan-21 18:47:08

Well, linking to an article behind a pay wall isn't helpful.

I appreciate that expansion of Nissan is 'good news' and that it is because of Brexit. I said that in my previous post.
But you haven't addressed the JIT point. Tariffs are not the only barrier to trade. I don't know if the FT covered that?

I read one thread last night where some had 'good news'.

Which one was that?

Actually, the best 'good news' about Brexit that I've seen is that the EU is going to go after the tax havens that we've been protecting while still in the EU. I doubt if some key Brexiters regard it in that light...

Blossoming Sat 23-Jan-21 18:49:49

I am glad to read this news. I have worked on projects in the North East, people are lovely and friendly and so hard working.

Smileless2012 Sat 23-Jan-21 19:50:34

Actually what you said MazieD was "But this is really good news despite Brexit, not as a result of Brexit"; you didn't say it was because of Brexit.

MaizieD Sat 23-Jan-21 21:11:54

Smileless2012

Actually what you said MazieD was "But this is really good news despite Brexit, not as a result of Brexit"; you didn't say it was because of Brexit.

You got me, Smileless. I give in...

varian Sun 24-Jan-21 13:53:27

Because of brexit many things have got worse. Some things are unchanged (eg Nissan still in Sunderland) but I've yet to hear of anything actually getting better.

NotSpaghetti Sun 24-Jan-21 13:58:52

Well Varian, maybe Brexit will introduce the fish types we currently export (such as virtually all cuttlefish) to the fish-eating UK public?
Then we could say "Brexit broadened the British diet" (with caveats around unavailable imports of course!!)... 🤔

MaizieD Sun 24-Jan-21 15:13:12

The fish eating British public are nowhere near as large a market as the EU. Even if the British diet were to be broadened (and I for one, would be delighted to see e.g. skate wings on sale, as they were in my Essex childhood) there wouldn't be so much demand. So the fishing industry still declines.

MaizieD Sun 24-Jan-21 15:14:33

It's a bit Marie Antionetteish, isn't it? "Let them eat fish..." grin

Jane10 Sun 24-Jan-21 15:20:43

Hard lines Sarnia it appears that no one on here actually wants to hear good brexit news.
My DH recently imported a large consignment of goods from Germany. All the paperwork was smoothly completed and all arrived on time. No bother. Important that people get the paperwork right.

flump Sun 24-Jan-21 15:28:38

Jane, how much paperwork did he have to do before Brexit?

muse Sun 24-Jan-21 15:29:10

Hello again MaizeD
Another apology. I hadn't realised that about the link (pay wall). I knew viewing FT was by subscription but the article I found was an open access one.

I made the article into a PDF and attached it successful but my message won't go to preview for me to check the image has attached. It will do it without the PDF. So I've used snapshot to post the article which I know will work Sorry if text is small. Sorry too for the ramble but better to explain the small image.

Back to the article - JIT are not mentioned. However, if it was to affect Nissan, it isn't stopping them expanding and creating more jobs.

The other thread you asked about is the Thank you...Brexit one. A few have put their "good news". You don't regard it as good news but there hasn't been silence.