Monday - will you watch....and why?

are you saying that the term coercive control is only used against women Fanny? If so you're incorrect. There have just here on GN been examples of son's in law exercising coercive control.

Meghan must have lied about having her password removed because she regularly flew out of the country, on holiday, to a baby shower, to watch her friend play tennis, to escape to Canada twice, to fly from Canada to LA, and of course, on royal tours. She needed her passport for all these trips. Only the Queen is allowed to travel without a passport. All members of the RF need their passport to travel out of the country.

She also lied about getting married three days earlier. If it was a rehearsal where they read their own vows and possibly had a blessing, as has been suggested/reported by the Times and the Church, nonetheless it was not truth.

Anniebach

Doubt any mocking if his family will trouble Harry, he will see
it support for him and his wife. No one can now put the boot in more than Harry did in the interview.

Meg and Diana came from dysfunctional families yet the family they married into gets all the blame.

I think that the Royal Family can be blamed for what happened to Diana. She was 20 when she married Charles whereas MM was 37 when she married Harry. She was an experienced woman when she met Harry whereas Diana was a naive young woman, almost a girl. I do think that the couple have brought a lot of the aggro upon themselves.

Smileless2012

are you saying that the term coercive control is only used against women Fanny? If so you're incorrect. There have just here on GN been examples of son's in law exercising coercive control.

No, quite the opposite.
It's used against men in the manor of cases.
I was attempting, evidently in a crack handed way, to make the point that if Meghan was a man she would definitely be accused of coercive control.

Cack, not crack. What a phrase...

A US Facebook group has already started using the term ‘Meghan’s truth’ to explain some of the variations in what they have said over time. Why not use ‘Harry’s truth’?

I am both intrigued and saddened by the level of venom that is demonstrated when Harry and Meghan are under discussion.

Why would people, who I assume are normal kind citizens, suddenly think it is OK to denigrate someone to this degree? Someone they do not know; someone whose statements they can neither verify nor refute; someone who is indeed simply a fellow human being. What is this all about?

Luckygirl I'm with you.

Somebody on Jeremy Vine just now asked a similar question. When someone is talking about feeling suicidal, in what world is the right response "Oh, she's making it all up" ?

Phew! - I am glad that there is another Gransnetter who is not prepared to join in the mud-slinging.

Luckygirl

I am both intrigued and saddened by the level of venom that is demonstrated when Harry and Meghan are under discussion.

Why would people, who I assume are normal kind citizens, suddenly think it is OK to denigrate someone to this degree? Someone they do not know; someone whose statements they can neither verify nor refute; someone who is indeed simply a fellow human being. What is this all about?

Being lead by the nose by the likes of Murdoch. No one knows the truth, but will happily spout bile and hatred to their hearts content.

No mud slinging from me.

a couple who said they experienced racism, one said they felt suicidal. It’s not for me, or anyone else for that matter to tell them that what they felt / experienced was imagined.

Luckygirl
I'm with you too. Some of the comments on here today are just cruel. And I would want to be no part of that.

If you want and example of a dysfunctional family look no further than the RF.

I don't doubt she was deeply unhappy with her situation and had those thoughts, however I also strongly suspect that some of the people who disbelieve the voracity of her claim may well be speaking from their own experience of such thoughts and feelings and finding it extremely odd that someone would speak out in the way that she did in the interview. It just wont add up with some people's experience of depression and suicidal thinking. Equally for those who haven't got personal experience to draw on, seeing someone with immaculate make-up who claimed to have been weeping in the dark minutes earlier doesn't really represent the picture they have of abject despair and total loss of hope. Who's to say any one of them is right? But we all filter understanding through our own experiences to some extent. Being 'woke' doesn't endow empathy in any greater way than being oblivious.

I am with you too Luckygirl I just don't understand such strong feelings about people you have never met and are not likely to meet. People who have no influence over your own lives. Is it some sort of collective hysteria, like in Salem.

Ilovecheese

I am with you too Luckygirl I just don't understand such strong feelings about people you have never met and are not likely to meet. People who have no influence over your own lives. Is it some sort of collective hysteria, like in Salem.

Very much like Salem, I agree.

I've used the "Salem" analogy on here before. It didn't end well

I imagine it's similar to how people on message boards make value judgments about other posters and endow their motives with spurious insinuations.

No , it didn't did it Alegrias

Oh I see, thanks for the clarification Fanny.

Yes indeed Nell. H&M decided to give an 'interview' to one of the most famous interviewers in the world. We were drip fed salacious tit bits to ensure as many people as they could get would tune in.

There are strong feelings being aired here by those who support H&M and from a few who don't bother to disguise their obvious disdain for the RF.

None of us know any of them and as you've posted, some will be identifying with what's been said because they have personal experience of racism, depression, suicidal thoughts or family estrangement.

Some, may feel nothing but sympathy while others may feel the exact opposite because what they've experienced goes way beyond what H&M are claiming to have experienced themselves.

It appears that a reference to Salem is perfectly acceptable to those who criticise them when it's just as applicable, if one wishes to stoop to that level, to those who in their support of them, trash the RF.

Luckygirl

Phew! - I am glad that there is another Gransnetter who is not prepared to join in the mud-slinging.

Except to sling mud at the mud slingers!
Oh come on, it's all a bit of a laugh and a distraction really isn't it?
It's what we want from the RF, lots of gossip and arm chair psychology.

Having lived with the estrangement of our son and only GC for more than 8 years Fanny, I can assure there's nothing remotely funny about it.

To see your family torn apart in private is beyond words but to have it done in front of the entire world, I can't begin to imagine.

Smileless2012 I support the monarchy as I would not like the UK to become a Republic.

I do not slavishly hang on their every word or idolise any of them.

If a mixed race female states that she experienced racism and felt suicidal, as none us actually witnessed/experienced it, in my opinion it is totally wrong to dismiss her feelings/accusations, and then go on to verbally assault/abuse her.

Exactly FannyCornforth.