Monday - will you watch....and why?

Eloethan

In my opinion, expressing concern as to what the colour of a child's skin might be - whenever that comment is made - is deeply offensive and suggests an unpleasant attitude towards race.

There’s no arguing with what you say, Eloethan. The only thing I would say is that my daughter has red hair and her partner has very curly hair. When she was pregnant with their first child, there was much jokey chat within the family (with them) about whether the baby would have red hair, curly hair or curly red hair. Was that racist?

Context?

JaneJudge
I believe that senior members of the RF have security round the clock. Some members of the RF have security only when they are engaged in royal duties on behalf of the crown. Other members of the RF have no security at all. I believe the York girls fall into this category.

In the sense that they have detectives who watch and accompany them on all their outings. So Eugenie and Beatrice being princesses have had a detective all their lives. When one of them was at Uni up here it was a common sight to see the detective on duty accompanying her to student bars and clubs. Apparently Archie wasn't going to get a title so wouldn't get the security but Andrew's daughters did.

This is how much Eugenie cost the taxpayer when she decided to be an ordinary student www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205876/96-week-student-digs-Eugenie-guards.html
Flat conversion and Met officers expenses!

trisher
I believe that if the York girls had security it’s because Andrew was told some years ago that he had to pay for it himself if he wanted it, as part of the paring down of members of the RF who were/are funded by the state. This was widely reported at the time.

So do they mean security on property or security in the form of minders?

Surely you don’t either read or believe anything in the Mail trisher.

Jane
It’s both.

I may be wrong, but I thought the whole issue of security came up a while ago, with the huge cost implications, it had to be scaled down.
As I remember, but maybe incorrectly, Beatrice and Eugenie lost their entitlement to it then. Andrew was livid and kicked off, but he ended up having to pay for it himself.
I also thought Edward and Sophie then only qualified when on official duties. They weren’t happy, but that was how it was.
Haven’t googled this, so might not be right though!

JaneJudge They mean in the form of minders - usually serving police officers paid for by us.

They didn't want to pay for that privately, and H complained at having to use his inheritance to fund it.

No but it was the first one I found from several year ago. But it was well known in the town that the detectives had a flat where they stayed and they could be seen accompanying her. So it's actually been witnessed

Eugenie's decision to study at the Tyneside university will prove to be equally costly because, like her sister, she is guarded round the clock by a team of Metropolitan Police bodyguards costing more than £250,000 a year.

Met coppers stand out in Geordie land

Maizie don't get too lonely up there on the moral high ground.

If M & H feel that they were unsupported and also that M feels she was subjected to racism whether it was conscious or unconscious racism, I think that it is very wrong for others to dismiss those feelings.

No person has the ability to feel what another is feeling we can only empathise.

(I haven’t watched the interview, only seen clips on the news)

We paid for their security whilst they were in Canada, but they were informed that it was going to come to an end because they weren’t engaged in royal duties, I think that was the reason. I think they had about six months of security provided by us. They then wanted Canada, as a Commonwealth country to pick up the tab, but unsurprisingly Canada said no. So they fled to that bastion of safety, LA, and took refuge in a famous friend of Oprah’s villa, and he provided free security whilst they were there. Apparently Harry is annoyed now with his father as he has refused to pay for their security. And he has to pay for his own security, if he wants it, with the millions his mother left to him. Poor Harry, and people going to food banks in his home country because they can’t afford food!

maddyone, that's what I understood as well. I think, once they left, the government didn't want to annoy the taxpayer by making us foot the bill. Canada refused to pay, as you say, and now they are in America who presumably also don't see why they should pay as they are not in any kind of official capacity.

maddyone they said quite clearly that because Archie wouldn't be given a title he would not be entitled to any security. That was H's main concern. The security went with the rank and without it he couldn't have any.

trisher
It was also said by Harry that his father stopped paying, and from the clips I’ve seen, he was quite put out about it. He seemed to be annoyed that he has to use the millions left to to him by his mother.
Archie isn’t entitled to be styled Prince at the moment. Although he would be entitled to styled Prince when Charles becomes king, since they have retired from public duties, and are living as private individuals, why would they expect either the title of Prince, which incidentally is not recognised in the USA, or for his father to continue to pay? The level of entitlement is simply staggering!

Interestingly, Prince Edward and Sophie Wessex and their children, only get security provided when they are engaged in official duties. Edward is the son of a monarch and doesn’t get security routinely, so why would the great grandson of a monarch be deemed to need security more than the son of a monarch?

Meghan married into a dysfunctional family. When Harry saw that it was making her ill (as it did his mother) he got her out of it. Good for him.

What would be the definition of a dysfunctional family? Most families have their skeletons, their stories, their dodgy uncle. I doubt there are many without.
Before the arrival of Meghan, with her well-documented dysfunctional family trailing in her wake, their stories in the media, Harry's relationship with his family seemed fine although he was obviously not happy at not finding a girlfriend who didn't shy away from the Royal Family and the resulting press media. I'm sure he longed to be married and have a family like his brother. But Chelsy and Cressida knew the score and escaped.

Harry knew the protocols but obviously failed to help Meghan adjust to all this according to her. Perhaps she told him she'd be fine - she was going to "hit the ground running" after all.
What started as a dream with the public, if not the media, on her side, has ended in isolation from his friends and family too, just as his wife is from hers.
Is that control?

She read the media reports - big mistake and now seeks to manipulate the media for her own ends.

Apparently Harry is annoyed now with his father as he has refused to pay for their security. And he has to pay for his own security, if he wants it, with the millions his mother left to him
maddyone it would have been a round the clock royal protection squad from Scotland Yard at great expense to the taxpayer. Remember the hoo ha over protection for Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie?

People want a slimmed down monarchy - we're well on the way as has been made clear.

The more I see or read of this, the small inaccuracies occur to me, which leads me to wonder about the larger claims.

1. Meghan knew nothing of the royal family. When she
got engaged a school friend (who appeared on a photo
with Meghan taken outside Buckingham Palace when
They were 15) spoke of her interest in the Royal Family
and said that oddly enough Meghan had Andrew
Morton’s book on Diana on her bookshelves.

2. Meghan knew nothing of the ‘ways’ of the Royal family
Even though they both spoke of the way it had been
Explained to her during their engagement interview.

3. The ‘backyard’ wedding, ok it could have been a slip
Of the tongue, and she meant a blessing, but if they
Wanted a small wedding, why go ahead with the big one.

4. She only left the house twice in 4 months - really?

5. Why would anyone approach HR to arrange a
medical appointment relating to mental health issues
when they had so many connections themselves.

6. Why did Meghan say tell Oprah (not screened in
Main interview)that she hadn’t seen Samantha for
20 years when she was photographed with her at
Samantha’s graduation 13 years ago)

7. Why didn’t Harry explain the rules regarding titles
To her, I can’t believe he didn’t know.

8. The York sisters have had their security paid for
By Prince Andrew for some time. Why would
Harry assume that Metropolitan police would
Uproot themselves to Canada and that the tax
Payers would continue to pay.

These are small points, but if you are giving such a devastating interview, which took such a long time to record, wouldn’t you have the sense to ensure that every little thing you said was totally accurate, so that the entirety would be believed. I think Harry has finally showed a backbone by removing his family from what they regarded as a toxic atmosphere, had he acted earlier and manned up, they might not have been in this position.

Pantglas2

“Meghan married into a dysfunctional family.”

If that’s the case, luckygirl, she should’ve felt right at home having come from one.....

You said it so much more succinctly than me, Pantglas!

She says she had her driving licence and passport removed (cue shocked expression from Oprah )

Could that possibly have been because a member of staff was dealing with her change of name, address etc hence new passport and driving licence?

Most of us have to deal with this ourselves as we don't have minions to sort it all out for us.

I wonder how H feels about the family he loves being trashed by chat show hosts in the country he's decided to make his home.

Jimmy Kimmel has called them "inbreeding royals" and joked that "Charles has the ears of a basset hound.

Stephen Colbert asked if their "medieval selective breeding program might be racist".

JK looks from his photo to be mixed race; is he being racist?

Re coercive control
Imagine if the sexes of the protagonists were reversed.

What if it were former golden girl, daughter of Diana, Princess Harriet,
and US actor Mike Markle?

Just a thought, as they say.

Doubt any mocking if his family will trouble Harry, he will see
it support for him and his wife. No one can now put the boot in more than Harry did in the interview.

Meg and Diana came from dysfunctional families yet the family they married into gets all the blame.