Monday - will you watch....and why?

Smileless2012

Having lived with the estrangement of our son and only GC for more than 8 years Fanny, I can assure there's nothing remotely funny about it.

To see your family torn apart in private is beyond words but to have it done in front of the entire world, I can't begin to imagine.

I didn't mean that it was funny.
I meant that people are using it as entertainment.
If it's not entertainment then what is it?
I'm sorry that you've had problems with your family, it's universal isn't it.

Its all a bit of a laugh

The pathetic excuse of bullies since time immemorial.

I'm surprised at you Fanny.

Oh come on, it's all a bit of a laugh and a distraction really isn't it?
It's what we want from the RF, lots of gossip and arm chair psychology.

Sorry but this time I have to disagree with you, FannyC

The Royal Family are people too, and, unlike the rest of us, have to go on presenting a public face no matter what is said about them or what mud is slung or innuendo offered to the media by disgruntled family members, usually without recourse no matter how upset or hurt they may be.

I prefer the traditions and stability of the thread of Monarchy but, should the British public decide that they would prefer a republic, then I think they might be relieved to walk away and who could blame them.

It's not what they chose but they fulfil the duties asked and expected of them and their private lives should be their own.

Smiles That's why I decided to watch it in the end, the whole thing had been dredging up so much painful stuff I felt I had to sit and listen to what people on the 'other side of the the fence' could say about their choices and motivations for estrangement, after all, people have their reasons.

What I watched was nigh on two hours of entitled, self serving justification. I empathise with the mental health issues and the racism, but it cannot excuse the ignorance and denial of the pain they have caused to others by their choices and actions NONE of which was even hinted at. Their families simply no longer matter, because as long as M&H are happy why would they?

I've also had to site here and be told I am disgusting, evil, racist, thick, easily led etc etc etc by those who don't see it the same way - yet I haven't felt the need to personally insult those posters of cast aspersions on them other than with a bit of sardonic humour.

I agreed with Fanny in relation to the discussion on here, not in relation to the interview and because, let's face it, until your child turns on you no one has the slightest bloody idea of what that's like.

I think those of us who've been through it could teach Meghan a thing or two about mental anguish, depression and suicidal thoughts and ours would be just as valid.

I also think this of us who've been through it know a little bit about being judged too and blamed too.

And I think we can still wish them happiness, because we are magnanimous in our hurt, but at the same time wish they would *&%$ off and stop seeking approval for their selfish, cruel behaviour.

Please excuse the typos, I'm a bit cross!

Can they be believed ?

NellG you’ve said it all. Thanks.

For me GrannyGravy when there are such glaring contradictions in what's been said, it's difficult not to be dismissive.

Apart from what's supposedly been said about Archie before he was born, she offered no examples of the racism she says she's experienced.

There's this increasing call for there to be an investigation into this allegation, but how can it be investigated when the person said to be responsible hasn't been named?

H&M had differing versions. According to H this happened before they were married. According to M it was while she was pregnant with Archie so which one was it? Or, is it that this conversation took place before they were married and H didn't tell M until she was pregnant?

If so, why on earth would he do that knowing how she was struggling emotionally and mentally?

What possible reason would the RF or any of their staff have for denying M the help she asked for and if that is true, why didn't H step in to help and protect his wife?

To appear in public within hours of breaking down and telling H of her suicidal thoughts, for me is just too unlikely to be true. She was 5 months pregnant so he could have said they were unable to attend as she was feeling unwell and he was staying by her side.

It makes no sense and in my experience when something doesn't make sense it's usually because it isn't true.

It could be that because of her mixed race and past experiences she 'see's' racism where none exists or is intended. She didn't seem to understand that Archie not being given the title of prince is due to the constitution and nothing to do with him being mixed race.

What appears to have been her 'go to' response is that this is due to racism.

Like you I don't hang on their every word and certainly don't idolise any of them, in fact I've never considered myself to be a royalist and still don't.

For me, too many things don't add up so I question the allegation regarding Archie, and dismiss her allegation that she was denied the help she asked for for her mental and emotional well being.

I question not necessarily her having suicidal thoughts, but definitely the events of the day she told H which ended with a very public event, which she attended because H was afraid to leave her alone.

Okey dokey
Some of you agree with each other (and me) and others don't.
All I'm trying to say is don't take it too seriously, and let it get you down, whichever side of the fence you're on.
I think that we're all getting a bit sick of it all now ie all these threads and the arguing.
I hope that it's all over with soon.

Great post Nell.

Good on you NellG.

Nell....you say it best.

I think it's interesting that the people who condemn M&H draw parrallels between their own family life and this couple's actions. I think they should examine carefully how much of their criticism of these people they don't really know, is actually things they are unable to say to their own family for one reason or another.
I think they were possibly seen as an unacceptable threat to the popularity of Will & Kate, so they had to become the "bad Royals". I hope they are both happier now and I do hope they have had some help to enable them to move on and build a happy family life.

I agree, great post NellG and Smileless.

The mud slinging and name calling towards ‘the haters’ is extremely sad in my opinion. NellG says she has been called disgusting, evil, racist, thick, and easily led by some posters. I think those posters need to examine their consciences. It is offensive to insult those of a different opinion.

Well said NellG.

Like trisher I hope that Meghan and Harry feel better now and can move on towards a happier life, without any further need for revenge.
Having said that, I think the devastation that they’ve left behind for the RF to deal with will be enormous and although I think they’ll weather it, I’m not sure that Harry or Meghan will ever be welcomed back into the family. This in itself, should it be the case, will be very difficult for Harry, if not Meghan to deal with I think.

Do not criticise Meg and Harry says the few who criticise posters and compare them to the Salem trials , !

I’m away to make an apple crumble now, as we’ve got to pick up the children from school and feed them. So duty calls, but I’ll be back later, if the thread hadn’t been pulled by then.

Alegrias1

^Its all a bit of a laugh^

The pathetic excuse of bullies since time immemorial.

I'm surprised at you Fanny.

Oh Alegrias that really isn't what I meant at all.

Please don't associate me with bullies.
If you knew me only a teeny bit you'd know that I'm further from that as you can get.
I've spent much of my life standing up against bullying.

I've seen things that you have posted before Fanny which is why I was surprised.

But you said that this whole event was just "a bit of a laugh". Well clearly M&H don't think so, neither do any of the extended family as far as we know. So somebody on an internet discussion site thinking its all just a bit of a laugh and we see their troubles as entertainment, shows a level of tone-deafness, IMHO.

You may be right Alegrias
I've not seen the interview and I have not RTFT or indeed read in full any of the H&M threads.
I'm dipping in and out as I'm making phone calls and trying to organise stuff.
I'm not as invested as most on the whole H&M thing, and I'm certainly not choosing every word as carefully as I would if I were, if that makes sense.
I'm going to hide all of the H&M threads now and make no more comments on the whole sorry affair.
Apologies if I've upset anyone.
I leave in peace ☮️

But it is a soap opera. What else can it be. We know nothing of what really happened. We dont know these people so I am afraid I understand exactly what Fanny is saying. People use the rf as some sort of drama or some sort of reflection of their own life. People say they like the stability but none of it has ever seemed very stable to me, just endless drama.

trisher

I think it's interesting that the people who condemn M&H draw parrallels between their own family life and this couple's actions. I think they should examine carefully how much of their criticism of these people they don't really know, is actually things they are unable to say to their own family for one reason or another.
I think they were possibly seen as an unacceptable threat to the popularity of Will & Kate, so they had to become the "bad Royals". I hope they are both happier now and I do hope they have had some help to enable them to move on and build a happy family life.

I think you could examine carefully your assumptions about other posters, and perhaps while you're at it you could consider carefully whether the offence you cause is deliberate, or an artefact of your own subconscious motivations.

maddyone

I agree, great post NellG and Smileless.

The mud slinging and name calling towards ‘the haters’ is extremely sad in my opinion. NellG says she has been called disgusting, evil, racist, thick, and easily led by some posters. I think those posters need to examine their consciences. It is offensive to insult those of a different opinion.

In fairness those insults weren't directed specifically at me, but everyone who doesn't see M&H in a favourable light.

I don't really have high regard for any of them (though I have met Sophie and Charles and both of them were perfectly nice) and after watching the interview (in parts) I can see why Harry and Meghan get on people's nerves but the other pair get on my nerves as well, they seem to be on my local news a lot as I am near Cambridge, though I am not aware they live there - during lockdown they did this whole bleating performance about how difficult it was for them to home school and we all must battle on - or some other rubbish. I don't think I have a very high tolerance threshold at the moment though. They have such privilege, it is better served when used in a positive manner.