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Flying the flag

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varian Sat 20-Mar-21 13:51:47

Does the display of union jacks by politicians making video calls from their homes not just appear ridiculous, but a tad sinister?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/flag-of-convenience-why-ministers-cant-get-enough-of-the-union-jack

Lucca Sun 21-Mar-21 13:16:51

Gwyneth

I have a Union Jack mug should I get rid of it before the ‘thought police’ charge me with being a right wing extremist? ?

No, how does a mug come into it ?

I thought we were talking about a large flag in the home

tickingbird Sun 21-Mar-21 13:16:21

It’s amazing how certain posters don’t accept democracy when it goes against them. The Tories didn’t win the GE even though they have a huge majority and the leave vote was also flawed and people didn’t realise what they were voting for. Judging by the latest bully boy tactics over the vaccine I’m thankful people ‘didn’t know’ what they were voting for!

Gwyneth Sun 21-Mar-21 13:15:46

I have a Union Jack mug should I get rid of it before the ‘thought police’ charge me with being a right wing extremist? ?

Lucca Sun 21-Mar-21 13:15:20

Sarnia

The PC Brigade have us apologising for any show of being British. Fly the flag and be proud of it.

Do you fly the flag in Your sitting room?

PippaZ Sun 21-Mar-21 13:10:16

PippaZ Sun 21-Mar-21 13:09:23 - reply to NellG

PippaZ Sun 21-Mar-21 13:09:23

I would imagine if you were accurate no one would correct you. I would also imagine if you were inaccurate but not throwing you inaccuracies at someone else no one would bother with you either.

varian Sun 21-Mar-21 13:08:26

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1 , Dinahmo I do understand the first past the post electoral system.

Doesn’t matter how many times it gets posted on GN to the contrary, the Conservatives won an eighty seat majority, which means under this system they won.

It is entirely untrue to say or suggest that the 80 seat majority was won because the majority support the Conservatives.

The majority of those who voted voted against them.

This is not democracy. The UK is a sham democracy where most people's votes don't count.

No amount of union jacks in living rooms will change that.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:58:59

NellG

GG13 Wow, I didn't realise you were five and had to be spoken down to like that. ?

Good one ??????

NellG Sun 21-Mar-21 12:54:40

GG13 Wow, I didn't realise you were five and had to be spoken down to like that. ?

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:53:55

MaizieD said that Labour, Lib Dem and SNP supporters make up the larger part of the UK Electorate, which they do. (Not sure about the grudge bit, though, but hay ho grin)

So in arguments about flying flags, if its based on numbers, and if all those people agree about something, we win.

Some folk are obsessed with elections..... hmm

GrannyGravy13 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:49:12

Alegrias1 , Dinahmo I do understand the first past the post electoral system.

Doesn’t matter how many times it gets posted on GN to the contrary, the Conservatives won an eighty seat majority, which means under this system they won.

Kamiso Sun 21-Mar-21 12:46:37

Surely the thought police aren’t now telling people what and when they can display whatever they choose in their own homes?

At least their arrogance will loose them another election!

(Homes came up as onesies! What might be displayed in them would be a very different matter.)

PippaZ Sun 21-Mar-21 12:42:55

varian

Does the display of union jacks by politicians making video calls from their homes not just appear ridiculous, but a tad sinister?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/flag-of-convenience-why-ministers-cant-get-enough-of-the-union-jack

I haven't read all 10 pages so apologies if I am repeating something others have said.

It does seem over the top and may, therefore, come under the heading of the tropes of "Powerful and continuing Nationalism" which is one of the 14 characteristics of fascist regimes suggested by historian Laurence W. Britt*.

Looking at those photographs they do look like they might be associated with some rather extreme revolutionary regime.

I agree with Maizie's tongue in cheek comment that hints grin that the greater number of people don't want this sort of signalling, Firecrackers in-depth research seems to say it is so.

*http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27/076.html

Sarnia Sun 21-Mar-21 12:38:39

The PC Brigade have us apologising for any show of being British. Fly the flag and be proud of it.

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:35:24

Crossed posts Dinahmo!

Alegrias1 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:34:39

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD sorry to point it out but you didn’t win which is why the UK has a Conservative majority of 80 and it’s no longer in the EU.

POTUS Trump and his supporters have been using that argument we lost but we really won gringrin

Conservative vote in 2019: 43.6%
Votes for Labour, SNP and Lib Dems: 47.6%

Sorry to point it out to you, but more people voted for somebody else rather than their Conservative candidate. So yes, that means the "the larger part of the electorate"

They still managed to get a majority in Parliament though, due to our voting system.

Dinahmo Sun 21-Mar-21 12:32:26

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD sorry to point it out but you didn’t win which is why the UK has a Conservative majority of 80 and it’s no longer in the EU.

POTUS Trump and his supporters have been using that argument we lost but we really won gringrin

How many more times do you need to be told that the 80 seat majority does not represent the majority of the voters. The Tories had 43.6% of the popular vote. In my book tht is not a majority.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:31:27

Dinahmo these MP’s are working from home, making their home workplaces like their official office is not a crime.

Many zoom conferences are carried out with artificial backgrounds thanks to today’s technology, having this Country’s flag in the background is no different.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:28:33

MaizieD sorry to point it out but you didn’t win which is why the UK has a Conservative majority of 80 and it’s no longer in the EU.

POTUS Trump and his supporters have been using that argument we lost but we really won gringrin

Dinahmo Sun 21-Mar-21 12:26:58

GrannyGravy13

Have just watched an interview with Commissioner Maered McGuinness (sp) who was sporting a very large EU flag, is that acceptable?

She was in her office.

Dinahmo Sun 21-Mar-21 12:24:54

Can anybody honestly say that they have a full size flag in their sitting room? Somehow I doubt it and I suspect that those politicians (the cabinet in particular) who display a flag have it tucked away behind the sofa to bring out when needed.

MaizieD Sun 21-Mar-21 12:22:13

Firecracker123

I think mostly the people objecting to the Union Flag being displayed when MPs are giving interviews on TV are Remainers, Labour, Lib Dem supporters or SNP supporters who hold a grudge.

Well, the amusing thing is, Firecracker, that these groups make up the larger part of the UK electorate. grin

So we win, I think wink

MaizieD Sun 21-Mar-21 12:19:32

Blossoming

What is a flag, in the end?

If only it were.

Katie59 Sun 21-Mar-21 12:18:36

Politicians at home with the flag in the background is pure virtue signaling, a deliberate tactic to show them in a better light.

Mollygo Sun 21-Mar-21 12:14:00

Blossoming

What is a flag, in the end?

Or an earlier version of a windsock???