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Flying the flag

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varian Sat 20-Mar-21 13:51:47

Does the display of union jacks by politicians making video calls from their homes not just appear ridiculous, but a tad sinister?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/19/flag-of-convenience-why-ministers-cant-get-enough-of-the-union-jack

Callistemon Mon 22-Mar-21 11:51:50

The Welsh flag is the best flag by far.

Nothing wrong with that statement grin

Lucca Mon 22-Mar-21 11:57:37

Greta

No, Lucca, I'm not kidding:

Marmadoit : ^The Welsh flag is the best flag by far. The Union flag is probably in second place. Blue and yellow is fine for IKEA but not really suitable for a flag.^

Unbelievable....in what way “not suitable ??” Can’t wait to hear the rationale for that one !

Whitewavemark2 Mon 22-Mar-21 12:05:29

You must admit that GN causes a lot of merriment at times.

Mollygo Mon 22-Mar-21 12:12:33

Whitewavemark2

You must admit that GN causes a lot of merriment at times.

Indeed, Whitewavemark2 but I hope the posts that my MiL’s flag is best won’t dragon and dragon!?????????????????????

MaizieD Mon 22-Mar-21 12:18:24

I expect it's because of the EU flag...

Though, looking at flags of the world, there seems to be a fair few places who don't understand that blue and yellow aren't suitable colours for a flag grin

www.newfroggy.com/images/detailed/2/1014_flags_of_the_world.jpg

(Best enlarged, CTRL+ )

foxie48 Mon 22-Mar-21 12:58:39

Whitewavemark2

You must admit that GN causes a lot of merriment at times.

Well I've certainly had a chuckle over some of the posts, especially NS in her Christmas jumper. Hilarious! Just off to order a flag pole!

lemongrove Mon 22-Mar-21 13:25:08

Whitewavemark2

You must admit that GN causes a lot of merriment at times.

I can certainly agree with you on that one, but suspect we may be laughing at different things.?

I can also certainly agree that the Welsh flag is the coolest ( who wouldn’t want a dragon on their flag?) It’s a bit Game Of Thrones-ish.?

winterwhite Mon 22-Mar-21 13:40:48

Well it did coincide with Brexit, and I thought intended to taunt and triumph (which it probably was) though pretty harmless and is now perhaps a bit OTT for every day.

I always look for St George's flag on church towers on St George's day - an old tradition I think - and a pity if it's taken over by far right footballers.

PippaZ Mon 22-Mar-21 13:45:04

Whitewavemark2 Mon 22-Mar-21 09:22:33
^... What heals division, and creates pride in ones country is fairness in the economic system and a strong democracy.
Rallying behind the Union flag seems a tad sad and desperate.^

It seems to me that when people have been told to 'gather round the flag', either those at the top of the tree have been shot or had their heads cut off or those at the bottom have ended up under even greater suppression.

I think the reason 1945 onwards is often quoted is that change did happen and without lives being lost. We had learnt the cost of that during the war.

Firecracker123 Mon 22-Mar-21 15:40:54

13:40winterwhite * I always look for St George's flag on church towers on St George's day - an old tradition I think - and a pity if it's taken over by far right footballers.*

Of course if England are playing the fans will be flying the St George's Flag. Its the English national flag. The same as Scotland fans and Welsh fans flying their flags in support of their countries teams. Are you automatically far right if you fly your countries flag.

I personally think you are being racist towards English people.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 22-Mar-21 15:44:26

winterwhite since when have footballers been far right ?

Lucca Mon 22-Mar-21 15:46:06

Greta

No, Lucca, I'm not kidding:

Marmadoit : ^The Welsh flag is the best flag by far. The Union flag is probably in second place. Blue and yellow is fine for IKEA but not really suitable for a flag.^

I live in hope that this will be explained !!

Pinnywinch Mon 22-Mar-21 15:58:15

Why on earth is flying the flag of my country “sinister” or “daft”?
I will fly, wear, use my country’s flag?? whenever or wherever I wish. I find it neither sinister nor daft.

growstuff Mon 22-Mar-21 16:03:41

Pinnywinch

Why on earth is flying the flag of my country “sinister” or “daft”?
I will fly, wear, use my country’s flag?? whenever or wherever I wish. I find it neither sinister nor daft.

Good for you!

I have an opinion too and I find it extremely daft. So what?

What it does mean is that people can keep well away from those people who insist on having a flag outside their house, if they so wish. Great!

MaizieD Mon 22-Mar-21 16:03:58

Pinnywinch

Why on earth is flying the flag of my country “sinister” or “daft”?
I will fly, wear, use my country’s flag?? whenever or wherever I wish. I find it neither sinister nor daft.

Nobody is stopping you.

Lots of us don't give a monkeys about who flies flags and who doesn't. It's the purpose of the flag flying that worries us.

Which has been discussed quite a lot in this thread.

Elegran Mon 22-Mar-21 16:30:39

It is a spiral - A national flag/flower/anthem/costume starts as a symbol of that nation or area and is recognised as such by its inhabitants and by people from other nations/areas.

One group adopts the national flag and flower to represent them rather than the whole diverse population of the country and displays it aggressively in situations where "they" want to be identified.

People who don't belong to or agree with that group then avoid anything which connects them with the flag as to them it has become "sinister" and "divisive" and begin to assume either that anyone using any of these symbols is one of the hated "them" and therefore the enemy, or is too sheeplike to have noticed the link with "them" and is falling into a trap designed to make them intolerant of anyone who doesn't make great play of flourishing the symbol.

Bit by bit the gap widens between the symbol wavers and the symbol waivers with the "I'm not one of 'them' - I just like to use the flag/flower/anthem/costume of my country" section being in the wrong from both sides.

The red rose should never have been chosen as a party political emblem. That was the thin end of the wedge for the adoption of national emblems and the turning of them into party banners.

varian Mon 22-Mar-21 17:12:11

Good point Elegran but somehow the appropriation of the red rose symbol does not seem to have helped the Labour Party.

It may even have been counter-productive, because it is an English symbol, it might have hastened their demise in Scotland.

grandmajet Mon 22-Mar-21 17:26:32

Blue and yellow are not suitable colours for a flag.
Rallying behind a flag seems a tad sad and desperate.

Aveline Mon 22-Mar-21 17:30:16

I always thought the South African flag was nice. A bit different from others. Canadian one is good too.

Casdon Mon 22-Mar-21 17:40:01

Actually Elegran you’ve opened up a whole new topic, which is quite fascinating. Labour in the UK adopted a worldwide socialist symbol when they adopted the red rose, it wasn’t to do with England specifically. This is worth reading - who knew? (I didn’t until I read it).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ideological_symbols

Firecracker123 Mon 22-Mar-21 17:53:36

Latest news

The Union Jack is set to be flown from every Government building in the UK every day of the year under a new scheme to celebrate Britain's heritage and pride, with planning permission needed to fly the EU flag.

??????

The flags are manufactured in Chesterfield.

vegansrock Mon 22-Mar-21 18:16:32

prison sentences for those who disregard this order.

Firecracker123 Mon 22-Mar-21 18:22:21

Of course ?

MaizieD Mon 22-Mar-21 18:29:59

Not in the least bit fascist grin

Mamardoit Mon 22-Mar-21 18:38:51

Greta

No, Lucca, I'm not kidding:

Marmadoit : ^The Welsh flag is the best flag by far. The Union flag is probably in second place. Blue and yellow is fine for IKEA but not really suitable for a flag.^

Well it was supposed to be a joke folks. I thought the IKEA comment made that obvious.

The Welsh flag is the best though. I'm not Welsh but I do have a flag. The grandchildren love it.

I still can't understand why anyone could object to the union flag appearing as a backdrop when ministers are being interviewed. Every country does just that. Even a non country sports rows of the blue and yellow ones.