Flying the flag

Oh Iam, that made me smile - and we need smiles. Thank you.

Ok. I wasnt anti flag but, having read the nonsense on this thread from flag supporters, I know where my heart lies.

lemongrove

It is the cool light of day Casdon but your earlier post just hadn’t been noticed by me, and now we have your view...that no country’s flag should be used when politicians are speaking.Presumably you feel the same about the French flag when Macron speaks and the US flag when Biden speaks.
Or any other country in the world.It’s your view which you are entitled to.
The worry on here( seemingly) is that by having a flag on view when politicians are imparting government advice/ speeches means shortly sliding into fascism or some kind of regime, is absolute madness ( although you are not espousing that particular view.)

Lemongrove, the first rule of debate is to keep the information truthful. It is morally wrong to falsify, create, or distort evidence to suit the argument.

Nowhere in Casdon's post does she say "no country’s flag should be used when politicians are speaking". You have completely misrepresented not only what Casdon has said but you have gone on to give a false and misleading account of what other posters, who don't agree with the flag being used as this governement is, have said too.

“ Lucca at least you have answered to say that you find any flags from England Scotland or Wales ( with politicians) as
‘Daft’. It’s a view.?”

I said the really big flags in the sitting rooms are daft. You’re slightly altering my words !

It is the cool light of day Casdon but your earlier post just hadn’t been noticed by me, and now we have your view...that no country’s flag should be used when politicians are speaking.Presumably you feel the same about the French flag when Macron speaks and the US flag when Biden speaks.
Or any other country in the world.It’s your view which you are entitled to.
The worry on here( seemingly) is that by having a flag on view when politicians are imparting government advice/ speeches means shortly sliding into fascism or some kind of regime, is absolute madness ( although you are not espousing that particular view.)

GrannyRose15

^How many more times do you need to be told that the 80 seat majority does not represent the majority of the voters. The Tories had 43.6% of the popular vote. In my book tht is not a majority.^

But it is a win. And you wouldn't be complaining if the vote had gone the other way, would you?

You hang on in there GrannyRose. The fact that the coversation was about something else will never matter will it?

What is happening here is the equivalent of entering a game and crying foul everytime a point is lost while trying to swip away the pieces off the board. It's very unpleasant.

Dinahmo this Conservative voter has lots of issues with the current Government, the (small) detail of them appearing in front of the Union Flag is not one of them.

Memories are short lemongrove - I said yesterday that I don’t like flags being used for political purposes by any party.

Yes, I’m in Wales. No, I don’t like the fact that Wales is not even represented on the Union Jack, and no I don’t like it when the Welsh flag is used in political broadcasts.

I don’t have any problem with the Welsh national flag being the people’s flag, which is what it is - there’s a huge difference in having pride in your country and it being rammed down your throat by politicians. I’d have no problem with St George’s flag being used in the same way in England either.

I’d suggest you go back to page 1 and read this thread again, in the cool light of day there are very few posters with anti Union Jack views, but many who don’t want to see it misused as a political talisman.

If we ever did become a ‘fascist regime’ or indeed any kind of regime you can feel superior here on GN.Until then, and we have a Labour government in four years ( as we no doubt will)
Perhaps allow a bit of flag display ( as happens in every other country) without all the anxiety and dismayed gasps that black shirts will soon be worn.

GrannyRose15

^How many more times do you need to be told that the 80 seat majority does not represent the majority of the voters. The Tories had 43.6% of the popular vote. In my book tht is not a majority.^

But it is a win. And you wouldn't be complaining if the vote had gone the other way, would you?

Try reading my post at 14.23.15 (or thereabouts)

I wrote "Despite being extremely pleased to see Tony Blair win, I have always thought that the system was unfair because the majority didn't get what they voted for." Is that a complaint or not?

despite being a supporter of the LP I have been on various occasions unhappy with the way they have assumed that because one voted for them, one voted for the total manifesto. This applies to all parties I think. Although, looking at some of the comments on here I suspect that for some Tory supporters, whatever is in their manifesto, they will agree with, hook, line and sinker.

Well growstuff it will do admirably in the absence of a nationwide poll on the subject.
Don’t be silly, the UK is certainly not ‘going in the right direction’.

Alarmingly so growstuff

BTW In case, you hadn't realised, GN posters don't represent a cross-section of the population.

lemongrove

I find your comments laughable PippaZ when applied to the UK.
We are not, and never will become a fascist regime, indeed we are not a regime at all, but a democracy in which no doubt
Starmer will be the next PM.
Your views of what are ‘normal’ btw ( view of our country) are certainly not as mainstream as you think since the majority of posters are fine with displaying the flag in ministers offices.

Lucca at least you have answered to say that you find any flags from England Scotland or Wales ( with politicians) as
‘Daft’. It’s a view.?

How do you know the UK won't become a fascist regime? Do you have a crystal ball? It's certainly going in the right direction.

The problem is the Union Jack was taken over by the BNP etc years ago and it’s very difficult to get away from that. In fact I don’t think we ever will.

My surprise at someone using the sentence "How many more times do you need to be told " to a grown woman Maizie.

GagaJo

It's only deafening lemongrove, because people have lost interest.

Plus, I haven't seen flag haters on here. Just those wishing for a bit of decorum.

Nope....they just don’t want to say that the Welsh flag or Scottish one shouldn’t be on display when the Welsh or Scottish Leaders are speaking.

lemongrove

Any answers about the Welsh and Scottish flags and if they are acceptable to you MaizieD ??

Nell the speaking down is usually done when the poster doing it feels rattled.

Is Maizie Scottish and/or Welsh?

Nell the speaking down is usually done when the poster doing it feels rattled.
Or when someone is posting with no sense of critical thinking or logic. It's really, really rude and unkind (as some of you would say). It is a form of bad manners that's for certain.

I find your comments laughable PippaZ when applied to the UK.
We are not, and never will become a fascist regime, indeed we are not a regime at all, but a democracy in which no doubt
Starmer will be the next PM.
Your views of what are ‘normal’ btw ( view of our country) are certainly not as mainstream as you think since the majority of posters are fine with displaying the flag in ministers offices.

Lucca at least you have answered to say that you find any flags from England Scotland or Wales ( with politicians) as
‘Daft’. It’s a view.?

It's only deafening lemongrove, because people have lost interest.

Plus, I haven't seen flag haters on here. Just those wishing for a bit of decorum.

Direct answer to OP

A MP displaying the Union Flag whilst taking part in an interview, whether it be in the office or the office/room used at home during Covid is neither ridiculous or a tad sinister

lemongrove Sun 21-Mar-21 16:53:39

On this list everything falls into the analysis carried out and refered to in earlier posts. I have extracted the relevant "recognisable patterns".

1. It’s our own flag and high time we saw it more.
From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious.

2. Now that we have left the EU it’s a time to think about the UK and promote it.
The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people's attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions.

3.^After an awful year with Covid, it’s a symbol to rally around.^
Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism.

4. With the SNP badgering for another referendum it’s a message that we have been in union with them for a very long time.
Often the regimes would incite spontaneous acts against the target scapegoats, usually ... ethnic and racial minorities,

As for the, I'm Backing Britain Campaign people worked for half an hour for free didn't they and employers rubbed their hands with glee. Eventually, it fell into chaos and the government withdrew its support.

You may find it strange but many people have a more normal view of their country, they love it, are upset by what is done badly and take pride in what we do well while knowing others do well too and that we are all part of the human race, not just "British" They don't need to wrap themselves in a Union Jack to prove anything.

lemongrove

...and perhaps one of you flag haters would like to comment on how you feel about the Welsh and Scottish leaders standing or sitting next to their country’s flag?
The silence is deafening.
Not that I need to be told... everything is acceptable am thinking, except the English or Union flags, especially if the Conservatives happen to be in power.It’s so transparent.
Perhaps somebody should tell Starmer not to stand too close to a Union flag in case any Labour members object to a ‘fascist object’.

A. I don’t think anyone is a flag hater.

B. I think the giant flag in the sitting room is daft be it Union jack Saltire welsh dragon or whatever.

That opinion does not make me unpatriotic or mean that I don’t “love my country “.

GrannyRose15

^How many more times do you need to be told that the 80 seat majority does not represent the majority of the voters. The Tories had 43.6% of the popular vote. In my book tht is not a majority.^

But it is a win. And you wouldn't be complaining if the vote had gone the other way, would you?

Oh, FGS....

...and perhaps one of you flag haters would like to comment on how you feel about the Welsh and Scottish leaders standing or sitting next to their country’s flag?
The silence is deafening.
Not that I need to be told... everything is acceptable am thinking, except the English or Union flags, especially if the Conservatives happen to be in power.It’s so transparent.
Perhaps somebody should tell Starmer not to stand too close to a Union flag in case any Labour members object to a ‘fascist object’.