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The new Scottish ALBA party - led by Salmond announced just now. Wowzer ‼️

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Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 14:13:24

Must have been kept under wraps no-one saw this coming!

Scotland's former first minister has made a sensational return to frontline politics, announcing he is to lead a new pro-Scottish independence party called the Alba Party.

In a press conference at 2pm on Friday, he was unveiled as the new party's frontman for the Holyrood elections ahead of the May 6 vote.

Setting out its aims, the Alba Party said: "National independence for Scotland as an immediate necessity, and overwhelming priority, achieved by democratic means through a vote of people resident in Scotland.

"The promotion of all Scottish interests, and the building of an economically successful, environmentally responsible and socially-just independent country, through the pursuit of a social democratic programme.

"The acceptance by the Scottish people of a written constitution for the newly independent country; defending the rights, liberties and equality of all citizens before the law."

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 14:17:49

Oh, I think several of us saw it coming UG.

ElaineI Fri 26-Mar-21 14:30:06

I don't want to be funny but would any woman trust him! Sorry if you support him but he and his cronies in the law have been shown up for what they are and I'm not meaning anything about the wrongs and rights of what NS was accused of - have met many men like him - already spoke about this somewhere - could have been FB - and no it's not all right to behave to women the way they do! I grew up with men thinking it was ok to pat you/pinch you on the bum etc - one got slapped in middle of a pub but was always a bit scared to protest. I'm sure a lot of gransnetters experienced the same. I seriously can't believe his cheek!!! I'm in the garage as car getting fixed and my Mum (85) has just phoned me to tell me! She is incensed though her main reason was to ask what channel the Scotland/France match was on.

Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 14:31:22

Really? Well I must be behind the curve! I was stunned at the announcement. Will it split Sturgeon’s base? Probably. I need to process the fall out (literally from this.

What are your thoughts on it Alegrias please? Help me out!

Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 14:32:32

Oh I think he’ll be squeaky clean from now on Elaine1 don’t you? He won’t want to mess up.

EllanVannin Fri 26-Mar-21 14:43:03

It does prove though what brass necks these politicians have. Do the wrong thing and you emerge smelling of roses.
Personally, I'm waiting for Dominic Cummings to rise from the ashes.

ElaineI Fri 26-Mar-21 14:47:28

I was stunned too Urmstongran - had to haud my wheesht though as in Mazda garage!

suziewoozie Fri 26-Mar-21 14:50:03

I wasn’t expecting it but it didn’t surprise me. He’s a busted flush imo and this is his last squeak. ( do flushes squeak? well you know what I mean).

Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 14:59:40

Will Joanna Cherry join him? And another thought. He’ll be a thorn in Nicola’s side at the next sitting of the Assembly. She’s swapped Ruth Davidson for Alex Salmond. He’s a political bruiser and he knows his stuff.

Actually as an aside, I like the name of the new party. It’s neat.

suziewoozie Fri 26-Mar-21 15:03:01

Is he going to be elected then?

Urmstongran Fri 26-Mar-21 15:06:42

Ha! Good point sw I’m guessing obviously.

How on earth has he managed to blind side everybody, including Nicola? For everyone to keep schtum? Think up the name, produce logos etc. Took some organising especially on the QT!

Casdon Fri 26-Mar-21 15:07:21

There’s a simple guide to how the election voting system works in Scotland on the BBC News website, and if I understand it correctly, each region has 7 regional seats as well as the constituency MSPs. This is a similar system to Wales, and we know here that the system gives minority parties a high chance of getting a few seats - it’s a very different system to the UK Government elections.

The SNP will now need to do extremely well to counteract the system to gain an overall majority I would think, but maybe this will galvanize people into giving them both their votes. It makes the forthcoming elections in Wales, happening on the same day, look very tame in comparison.

Grannynannywanny Fri 26-Mar-21 15:08:01

Alex Salmond’s sponsor

Grannynannywanny Fri 26-Mar-21 15:09:27

😊

EllanVannin Fri 26-Mar-21 15:11:50

Nice one Grannynannywanny.

Gwyneth Fri 26-Mar-21 15:31:56

Not really surprised as I never thought Alex Salmond would fade away into the background. Would love to know what Nicola Sturgeon’s reaction was to his announcement. I don’t think she’s made any comment yet. Sporrans at dawn maybe?

Galaxy Fri 26-Mar-21 16:09:05

To be honest if Joanna Cherry decided to join the Monster Raving Loony Party I wouldnt blame her.

Petera Fri 26-Mar-21 16:11:08

The real question though is, if it is successful, will it make independence more or less likely? He can split the vote, but it will be split between two pro-independence parties, if he takes any votes from the Conservatives then there will be more pro-independence MSPs not fewer.

(and yes, everyone saw it coming...)

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 16:11:46

Well I've had a cup of tea and a lie down....smile

Alex is a man who likes power and doesn't like to be ignored, so no surprise he wants to get back to the coal face. There are people who think he has been badly done by, and independence supporting people who are left politically homeless because they think the SNP are no longer worthy of government. So he could pick up their votes.

They are only standing in the list so if he picks a geographical area where he thinks he's got the support, he could get elected.

I notice that they are using images of AUOB rallies for their promotion, and trying to associate themselves with the saltire. Let's not have that conversation again. He'll also have to get a bit slicker with his press conferences if he wants to be taken seriously though.

Choice of Alba is interesting, associations with "whiteness" of course. But I'm going to have to live with the whole MSM mispronouncing it for the next 8 weeks. And Alex as well. (Its Al-u-ba, BTW)

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 16:13:25

Petera

The real question though is, if it is successful, will it make independence more or less likely? He can split the vote, but it will be split between two pro-independence parties, if he takes any votes from the Conservatives then there will be more pro-independence MSPs not fewer.

(and yes, everyone saw it coming...)

There are at least 5 independence supporting parties: SNP, ISP, Green Party, Scottish Socialists and now Alba. I would expect its the ISP and the Greens who will suffer from this most.

Marydoll Fri 26-Mar-21 16:14:42

Not in the least bit surprised! Love the Brasso post!

Petera Fri 26-Mar-21 16:19:55

Alegrias1

Petera

The real question though is, if it is successful, will it make independence more or less likely? He can split the vote, but it will be split between two pro-independence parties, if he takes any votes from the Conservatives then there will be more pro-independence MSPs not fewer.

(and yes, everyone saw it coming...)

There are at least 5 independence supporting parties: SNP, ISP, Green Party, Scottish Socialists and now Alba. I would expect its the ISP and the Greens who will suffer from this most.

Yes that's entirely possible, but the main point is still that the effect this will have on independence is minimal.

Although I was getting a headache trying to imagine SNP and Alba in a coalition after all of this.

And again saying 'all of this' - and I don't minimise the effect on the two women - is that the First Minister has been found not to have broken the ministerial code when, in the period of the enquiry, Westminister ministers, including Johnson, have broken it 7 times in my counting. And this barely makes the papers, let alone caused a post in GN demanding they resign.

Lucca Fri 26-Mar-21 16:20:32

Alegrias I’m being thick but why is it al u b a? (Alooba? Or aluhba?)

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Mar-21 16:23:24

The website reckons they can get 20-25% of the list vote. Seems ambitious, but one thing Alex has never lacked is ambition.

I can't see him and the Alba party getting votes from anyone who was previously Unionist, though, surely? So I agree, probably the effect on independence is minimal.

Petera Fri 26-Mar-21 16:28:35

Lucca

Alegrias I’m being thick but why is it al u b a? (Alooba? Or aluhba?)

It's just the way Gael's pronounce some combinations of consonants, a short vowel is put between them, but I expect Alegrias1 can explain much better than I can.

Most non-Gaelic speaking Scots would still say "Alba"