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Pupils taught how to respect and behave around women.

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Blossoming Thu 01-Apr-21 14:21:33

This is a positive step, and the most heartening thing to me is the pupils requested it.

www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-04-01/pupils-at-wellacre-academy-get-lessons-in-how-to-respect-and-behave-around-women-following-sarah-everard-death

EllanVannin Thu 01-Apr-21 15:38:40

Shouldn't this be taught at home ? Manners and respect ?

Lucca Thu 01-Apr-21 15:45:29

Yes but then many people are saying it’s up to schools ...so belt and braces

EllanVannin Thu 01-Apr-21 15:56:37

Well if there are some young teachers who weren't taught the same at home there's nothing down for them is there ? Schools are a lot free and easy with the pupils than in earlier days.

How many teachers have been in the newspapers lately " meeting " 16 year old pupils ? Too many ! How can the like of those teachers both male and female preach about respect etc when they're doing it themselves ? Worse because the teachers are older than the pupils !

Amberone Thu 01-Apr-21 15:57:55

That presupposes their parents have manners and respect for women and sadly many do not. If they were being taught respect for other people at home it wouldn't be necessary to teach it in schools.

Galaxy Thu 01-Apr-21 16:02:46

Well I assume the lessons would be monitored as all lessons are so there would be some quality check with regards to the concerns you mention Ellan. In the same way that if I was allowed to teach GCSE maths someone somewhere would pick up that I wouldnt have a clue what I was doing.

EllanVannin Thu 01-Apr-21 16:08:27

Those teachers that I've mentioned would have gone through the usual checks that anyone/ everyone has when working with children. Boundaries will always be crossed ! Some people think they're untouchable.

timetogo2016 Thu 01-Apr-21 16:22:49

I don`t agree with it`s up to the schools tbh.
Teachers have enough to cope with,without putting that on their plates.
Parents should teach their children how to respect everyone,that being said,alot have parents have no respect themselves.
It`s not black and white thats for sure.

BlueBelle Thu 01-Apr-21 16:23:18

I think this has got to be much much more than this (and that’s no excuse for bad treatment from boys) but it’s bigger than that it’s about kindness and respect from all to all.
Have you ever seen how girls talk to boys on social media ?
...and I was also horrified to hear that a school in Australia had made the boys, at the morning assembly turn to the girls and apologise for the behaviour of all males to females This blaming all men for the ills of some is awful, just awful and must feel so dreadful to those who have been brought up to
behave with consideration and just so unfair
Would you want to be made to publicly apologise for something you had never done wouldn’t that put your back up ?

timetogo2016 Thu 01-Apr-21 16:24:59

Ps, girls/women need the same advice,it`s not just boys.

Mamardoit Thu 01-Apr-21 16:27:05

It goes without saying respect should be taught in home. They should see the adult men around them treating their mother and all women well. I'm sure more male teachers in primary schools would help. I've worked in schools and I've seen older primary boys 'talk down' to women teachers. Disrespect can start quite young.

We have five sons and I was always very aware that it was our job to make sure they became good, kind respectful men.

GagaJo Thu 01-Apr-21 16:30:37

EllanVanin, the teachers you are referring to are sexual predators. NOT proper teachers. This has ALWAYS gone on. I remember 2 teachers who were like this when I was at school. The difference is, then it was all hidden and swept under the carpet.

As with any child abuser, they are very careful to hide and cover their tracks, so no one can tell.

Please do not tar proper teachers with the brush of perverts.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 01-Apr-21 16:33:06

Surely it’s all about appropriate and good behaviour throughout the school and beyond, which in my opinion should be common place.

There are only so many hours in a school day and at the moment as the UK education system emerges from a year of Covid turmoil the teachers have enough to cope with.

AGAA4 Thu 01-Apr-21 16:53:35

Children always learn what they see. If a child is brought up in a home where no respect is shown to the girls/women of the family then I don't think lessons at school will help much.

Also teachers would have to undergo training to teach this with any success and most are stressed with their load already.

Fennel Thu 01-Apr-21 16:59:01

"This has always gone on" - We as a family were shocked to hear that younger son's english teacher had ended in prison after an affair with a ?16 yr old pupil was revealed.
Even though it seemed to be a genuine love affair from both sides it was legally child exploitation.
This would also be seen as a 'lesson ' by other teachers and pupils.
Another strange story -the husband of a friend was a primary teacher . " of his 9yr old pupils accused him of touching them. They later owned up to making the story up but he already had a bad name and resigned.
So many aspects to the problem.

H1954 Thu 01-Apr-21 17:11:13

Many years ago I recall my friends father telling his son to 'get out there lad and get as much as yer can' whilst preaching to his daughters to 'keep their knickers on'! Double standards or what?

Smileless2012 Thu 01-Apr-21 17:17:31

This is something that should be supported within schools, not taught by them, that is the responsibility of parents.

Mamardoit Thu 01-Apr-21 17:19:19

Yes unfortunately there was sometimes double standards. A lad was just sowing his wild oats but a girl doing similar was called some awful names. So many offensive names used to describe women too.

sodapop Thu 01-Apr-21 17:54:08

Those sort of messages should begin at home and be reinforced at school. Unfortunately many parents of both boys and girls do not teach self respect or respect for others.
Parents should teach by example in an ideal world.

Rosie51 Thu 01-Apr-21 18:52:09

GagaJo

EllanVanin, the teachers you are referring to are sexual predators. NOT proper teachers. This has ALWAYS gone on. I remember 2 teachers who were like this when I was at school. The difference is, then it was all hidden and swept under the carpet.

As with any child abuser, they are very careful to hide and cover their tracks, so no one can tell.

Please do not tar proper teachers with the brush of perverts.

While I totally agree that these people are sexual predators, surely that also goes for sexual predators in any other walk of life be that clergy, medical, the police, social workers etc etc. Are they all to be disassociated from their professions, so not proper clergy, proper medical practitioner, proper police, proper social worker? Sexual predators will always try to gain easy access to their preferred prey, and if they are able enough to qualify as a teacher for example that will ensure a steady stream of potential victims. Of course the vast majority of teachers, like the vast majority of people, are not sexual predators.
To return to the original post, respectful engagement with all others must start from toddlerhood in the home, but does need to be reinforced by schools as the child progresses. I'm not necessarily advocating specialist lessons throughout the education years, but a zero tolerance for disrespectful behaviour in all areas would be a good start. School enforcement of acceptable behaviour is even more important for those children who grow up in homes where this isn't the norm. Society as a whole needs to be more willing to challenge unacceptable behaviour in public instead of wilfully ignoring it.

Redhead56 Thu 01-Apr-21 19:42:29

I brought both my children up to be polite and respectable. I don't believe it is the schools responsibility it is the parents.

Katie59 Thu 01-Apr-21 19:52:56

Yes society as a whole must show more respect to each other, most of us do but it is pretty depressing reading this thread how little respect there is. With so many children brought up in households where lack of respect is a everyday fact of life, what hope is there.

Rosie51 Thu 01-Apr-21 19:58:03

Redhead56

I brought both my children up to be polite and respectable. I don't believe it is the schools responsibility it is the parents.

Of course it's the parents' responsibility, but if they don't who else can attempt to fill the gap but the schools?

absent Thu 01-Apr-21 22:08:01

I have always believed that respect has to be earned and should not automatically be granted. I wince when I hear someone say show some respect to [some random group of people]. My feeling is why should I respect someone just because she or he has acquired some feature through no skill of their own – say, growing old or being a woman. Equally, I cannot respect someone simply for her or his being a teacher, a doctor or a government minister, for example, if that individual is actually lousy at the job.

Of course everyone should be treated with courtesy, even if they are discourteous or downright rude themselves.

BlueSky Fri 02-Apr-21 12:42:32

Good post BlueBelle!