A year of Starmer What do you think?

Grany

Starmer's main selling point is he says he is electable but are people buying it?

I said he is electable, haven't actually heard him say it but then I don't avidly listen to any of them any more.

Apologies trisher I got the words gain and lead mixed up, it comes of being irritated by the whole demeanor of the Starmer bashers and consequently skim reading whilst I was doing something else as well. Doesn’t detract from the fact that support has increased since Our Friend’s support plummeted to 20% though.
That’s not why I’m leaving this thread though. I’m leaving because this debate is not going anywhere. It wouldn’t matter to some people if he had 80% of the vote share, because however electable Starmer becomes he isn’t what you want. More importantly, disregarding personalities, if the party goes back to what you want it to be we can kiss it goodbye as it will be unelectable.

What good will it do if Labour voters switch to the Greens? Just remind me how many MP’s they currently have and how many they may have at the next election and how they’re going to overturn the Conservatives majority?

The only way we get a labour PM is for him/her to look and sound like a tory. Tony Blair being the best example. There’s a few years to go but overturning an 80 seat majority won’t be possible for Keir in one election. I don’t doubt his sincerity though.

I watch PMQs most weeks. Most weeks, KS points out Johnson's errors, untruths, cronyism etc etc. Each time Johnson dismisses KS's views, calls him Captain Hindsight and then walks out. The Speaker should be more pro-active. Unfortunately (IMO) he is a waste of space and it is left to other MPs to point out when Johnson has lied.

Keir was brilliant today.

How do you rate Starmer's first year in charge LBC 4 discuss

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XRfx6T72RPs#

He seemed to me to be doing 9K but he is constantly being undermined by people in the Labour Party

varian

He seemed to me to be doing 9K but he is constantly being undermined by people in the Labour Party

Really Varian could you give an example of this please? Or is it just an excuse because Starmer isn't doing as well as people expected him to? Personally I've stopped saying anything about him I think he'll manage to destroy himself I just hope there is a LP left when he's finished.

If this is not an example of someone in the Labour Party undermining Keir Starmer then I don't know what is- unless I am wrong in assuming that you are in the Labour Party trisher

I have spoken out about him in the past Varian but my political affiliations are my concern so you have no right to assume I am a member of the LP or to take my comment about him as undermining him. I'll ask again (and let's spread the net a bit wider that GN) who in the LP has undermined Starmer?

The Labour Party survived Michael Foot and Corbyn,

I supported Michael Foot. That’s why I realise that the electorate just don’t go for socialist ideology. I know they should but they don’t.

This makes very interesting reading as it’s completed by Labour supporters.
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/04/15/eight-things-yougov-polling-reveals-about-labour-m

Michael was a family friend, he was an honest , caring man, but
we can’t ignore the fact that after that defeat Labour didn’t gain
power for 14 years

Very interesting reading Casdon thank you

trisher

I have spoken out about him in the past Varian but my political affiliations are my concern so you have no right to assume I am a member of the LP or to take my comment about him as undermining him. I'll ask again (and let's spread the net a bit wider that GN) who in the LP has undermined Starmer?

I would regard Owen Jones as an influential member of the Labour Party. He was a strong supporter of Jeremy Corbyn and is now one of those undermining the credibility of Keir Starmer.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/12/keir-starmer-labour-leader-crucial-byelection

Is one person writing one article now to be regarded as "being constantly undermined by people"?

Just one example trisher-

There are very few varian and in no way can they be considered anything but fair and justified criticism. I assume even Starmer can be criticised?

Anyone can ( and is) criticised trisher...all the time, it seems to be a national sport.

lemongrove

Anyone can ( and is) criticised trisher...all the time, it seems to be a national sport.

We don’t need to go all Pollyanna but a bit of positive thinking may help improve the national mood ??

I’m feeling very positive about the way the nhs and volunteers have endured the vaccine roll out is successful.
(Sits on hands to stop criticism of government contracts for unqualified friends being doled out )

I suppose my worry is that Owen Jones may be seen as the face of the left, he is everywhere, if the general public see him as representative of the labour party we will never be in power again.

One the evening if the 97 election, we drove a retired miner in his late 80’s to vote. He said this would be his last chance to see a Labour government. We are a constituency that predicts the government. We had a Labour MP that time. He lost his seat at the recent election, a Tory who has no connections to the area and lives 200 miles away represents us now.
I’m beginning to feel like the miner in 97, will I ever see a Labour government again.
I despair that people like Owen Jones would rather see governments like we’ve had in the past decade, conservatives, than support Keir Starmer

Iam64

lemongrove

Anyone can ( and is) criticised trisher...all the time, it seems to be a national sport.

We don’t need to go all Pollyanna but a bit of positive thinking may help improve the national mood ??

I’m feeling very positive about the way the nhs and volunteers have endured the vaccine roll out is successful.
(Sits on hands to stop criticism of government contracts for unqualified friends being doled out )

But no one has criticised the vaccine roll out and all those who contribute to and play a role in it. Far from it. None of that detracts from the issues around the probity of the current administration. In fact that lack of probity only serves to make the vaccine success all the more remarkable - at the same time as the procurement of vaccines was being carried out so successfully, we had the fiasco PPE procurement and the paying for the redecoration of the flat.

Whilst the latter is really as simple as the importance of being transparent ( although it was happening at a time when BJ was setting his face against FSM in the holidays so the optics weren’t good) ) the former was about protecting staff and patients and saving lives. The setting up of schemes to benefit Tory donors, supporters, family and friends was neither adequate nor appropriate in the circumstances.

So justified and continued criticism is essential - as we emerge from the pandemic there are multiple needs to be met and multiple opportunities for money to be made by the well-connected. We could be better than we are and we should want to be.