A year of Starmer What do you think?

Galaxy

I think he has an enormous amount of work to do. Anyone thinking this could be done in a year is deluded. I hope he is strong enough to stand up to the nonsense, I worry that he may not be but we will see. I suspect as I have said endlessly that he will not be PM but will move the party to being electable.

Could you list what you consider the "nonsense"? Does it include human rights? The need to comply with UN regulations about arms supply? proper due process within the party? suspending left wing Jews like Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi?

I though he was a tory in disguise.

trisher you speak of the red wall as if it’s an amorphous mass. It isn’t, and a relatively small swing in many seats would return to a Labour majority. Put it this way, many of them voted for Tony Blair, many of them disliked Jeremy Corbyn. Brexit is old news now, and people are beginning to see the impacts for themselves so there’s a good chance that they won’t vote for the Tories next time.

I must admit I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see on this thread how positive most people have been about Starmer, and I think that’s how many of the public feel too.

I must admit I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see on this thread how positive most people have been about Starmer, and I think that’s how many of the public feel too.
Most of the public wouldn't know who he is!

I dont know how to break this to you but arms supply and the process within the party are of absolutely no relevance to pretty much the majority of the country let alone those who might vote labour. I think it is 4 minutes per week that the majority of voters spend thinking about politics. None of those will be spent worrying about the process within the party.

I think you’d be surprised trisher. People are not as disinterested as you are assuming. Galaxy is right, most people don’t think about politics a lot, but they do know what they don’t like, and they do know who Starmer is and that he’s trying to rebuild the Labour Party. Most importantly they think he is trustworthy, which is a big step forward.

And if he doesnt make the party electable (and there needs to be a reasonable length of time to judge this) then I will happily wave him off. If people cant see the importance of a labour government of any type compared to the current government (who I dont even class as conservatives in the true sense of the word) then they have been asleep for the last year.

It's always been assumed that working people didn't care about arms supply- by the Tories! The evidence has always been that they actually do they just haven't believed politicians would do anything about it (and I'm always being accused of denigrating people in the Red Wall!)
But the evidence is that trustworthy really doesn't matter (or have I missed something?)

The only reason anyone would imagine Starmer is trustworthy is because he says so little. If you judge by his actions he is as devious and as dishonest as a £6 note.

So who should be party leader? Long Bailey perhaps?

Long bailey only if you dont care about winning.
I am talking about everyone trisher, all voters, and that includes the red wall voters, of which I am one. Arms supply and the process within the labour party arent a priority for the majority of people.

Galaxy

Long bailey only if you dont care about winning.
I am talking about everyone trisher, all voters, and that includes the red wall voters, of which I am one. Arms supply and the process within the labour party arent a priority for the majority of people.

I see Galaxy you now speak for everyone1 at least I realise that I can properly present only my own views. I did ask you what the 'nonsense' you thought he needed to stand up to was, but no response. So I'll ask this-Do you really think someone who has broken promises, lied, and refused to investigate wrongdoing is such a trustworthy person?

No trisher I dont speak for everyone strangely enough, it would be so good if I did but we cant have everything we want, the statistics/info suggests that the majority of people only think about politics for 4 minutes, not just the red wall voters. So when I refer to everyone I refer to the majority of voters.
I dont think he is untrustworthy trisher, you do I dont. I thought Corbyn was not very bright, anti EU, very poor on anti semitism and on supporting women, you would disagree. Either would be preferable to Johnson.

Annie, I'm afraid you are not going to get a reply to your Labour PM query.

He’s not untrustworthy in the eyes of most voters, although he has not fulfilled what the left of the party had pledged to do. Those are different things.

So who should replace him? If he’s so awful there has to be an alternative that the voting public will vote for.

Unfortunately the public will only vote the way the right wing gutter press tell them to vote. Their readers are conditioned day in day out to despise all non-Tory politicians.

Not one UK Prime Minister in the last forty years has won a general election without the endorsement of Rupert Murdoch.

Jaberewok a reply isn’t possible, there has never been one,

I find the question of arms manufacture very difficult. At the moment, with so many unemployed, the arms industry is still viable. I hate what the Saudis and others are doing but if we don't sell to them, someone else will. I would think that to explain to the workers in that industry that they're going to lose their jobs because we're not going to sell arms would be nigh on impossible.

MayBee70

So who should be party leader? Long Bailey perhaps?

Definitely not.

Inconspicuous and uneventful for me.

Jaberwok

Annie, I'm afraid you are not going to get a reply to your Labour PM query.

There is a list on the link of 33 left wing Labour MPs. But I don't suppose you really wanted an answer.

MayBee70

So who should replace him? If he’s so awful there has to be an alternative that the voting public will vote for.

We have a couple of years at least before a GE, by which time my guess is that there will be more people in the running. As I said upthread, I would put a small bet on Andy Burnham. I think he will appeal to voters in the North, who often feel (and are) overlooked, and to younger and older people alike.

The younger people in the PLP (eg Jess Phillips and Lisa Nandy) have had time to establish credentials and come over as more experienced, which they didn't before, so either of them are possibles, too.

Anniebach

Jaberewok a reply isn’t possible, there has never been one,

What not even Kier Hardy, or the late, great Tony Benn? Or what about Corbyn and McDonnell ? Were they not left enough for you? I seem to remember lots of complaints about them.

Will people please at least spell Keir properly....