A year of Starmer What do you think?

No one in the red wall constituencies cares one jot about that trisher.

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

Galaxy

No one in the red wall constituencies cares one jot about that trisher.

No one in the Red wall will vote for a Starmer party anyway. He is as I said a Remainer. Any idea why they would vote for watered down Tory polices Galaxy? Because I can't think of any. Why have fake cream when you cn get the real thing?

Yes winning elections is fairly important.

I think they will vote for a party that to be honest stops pissing about on issues that are so far from their every day lives.

The right wingers didn’t lose the 2017 election, Corbyn did , he cannot be called a right winger .

Michael Foot gave us 18 years of tory government, certainly not a right winger

I am not impressed by Starmer’s tweet today (see screenshot). Do we really want to base our economy on selling arms to regimes such as Saudi Arabia? Perhaps he could adopt the slogan’Bomb British’, I am sure the Yemenis would appreciate the quality of the bombs dropping on them.

Another tweet he’ll probably be apologising for later. How does he get this so spectacularly wrong?

Anniebach

The right wingers didn’t lose the 2017 election, Corbyn did , he cannot be called a right winger .

Michael Foot gave us 18 years of tory government, certainly not a right winger

Annie there is substantial evidence that in 2017 people working in the LP office did not behave as they should have done to achieve a Labour victory. For example they failed to direct funds into marginal constituencies. Now much as you may dislike Corbyn I can't believe that you would condone such behaviour by unelected officials. If such things didn't happen then Starmer permitting the enquiry to report would have completely destroyed any discussion about this. The fact that he isn't doing so leaves him open to criticism and his assertion that he would unite the party as manifestly untrue.

trisher

I think Starmer has the great problem that he now appears to be in collusion with the group on the right working in the LP office who prevented the LP winning the 2017 election. The least he could have done was to allow the enquiry into the allegations to go ahead, but this now appears to have been sidelined and is unlikely to ever report. Starmer has paid off some of the accused and returned one to a post. Given that this small group possibly destroyed and almost certainly damaged democracy it seems extraordinary that he has behaved in such a way. I think the LP membership is coming to trust him less and less.

Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win trisher?

Galaxy

I think they will vote for a party that to be honest stops pissing about on issues that are so far from their every day lives.

But Galaxy they voted Tory, so they will still do so. Why bother changing policies in that case?

Ilovecheese

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

I will ask you too Ilovecheese. Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win?

PippaZ I don't see much point in a party which chucks the baby out with the bath water and that seems to be what Starmer is doing. He has contravened so many of the basics of the LP. I hoped he would unite the party but he seems determined to destroy it and its values.

trisher who was the last far left Labour PM ?

Anniebach

trisher who was the last far left Labour PM ?

Annie There are currently 33 of them en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Campaign_Group
I'd say watch Zarah Sultana for the future.

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trisher

Galaxy

No one in the red wall constituencies cares one jot about that trisher.

No one in the Red wall will vote for a Starmer party anyway. He is as I said a Remainer. Any idea why they would vote for watered down Tory polices Galaxy? Because I can't think of any. Why have fake cream when you cn get the real thing?

So that is absolutely no one who will vote for him in the previously Labour constituencies trisher? Do you really think anyone believes that? It is obviously what you want, but that doesn't make it so.

Brexit is over, gone and most people are getting on with their lives. That is what they will be interested in - their lives. We do know that if you voted in a Tory you are more likely to get money spent in your constituency. I would have thought that would have more influence - that is why our sly, devious, lying Prime Minister has done it.

Brexit is dead for the majority of voters; they have moved on. It has ceased to be; it is expired. It is bereft of life. Most people will want what they were promised from it and they are not going to get that. In 10 years we will have stopped talking about it (except for a cultish few) in 20 years it will be historically picked apart - possibly sooner.

Anyone had to be better that the last leader. I think he has the gravitas to appeal to many people. He certainly worked with the Prime Minister over Covid and for the good of the country by not making snide political points. (Are you listening, |Nicola?).

trisher I asked who was the last far left Labour PM, not who in your opinion would make a future far left PM

trisher

PippaZ I don't see much point in a party which chucks the baby out with the bath water and that seems to be what Starmer is doing. He has contravened so many of the basics of the LP. I hoped he would unite the party but he seems determined to destroy it and its values.

So you don't want the LP to win under Starmer. I will now disregard all your posts just as I do with all the pro Tory posts,
and look for the ones that add to my knowledge.

I am not sure you see, and I am keeping an open mind. Closed ones do not help.

I think he has an enormous amount of work to do. Anyone thinking this could be done in a year is deluded. I hope he is strong enough to stand up to the nonsense, I worry that he may not be but we will see. I suspect as I have said endlessly that he will not be PM but will move the party to being electable.

PippaZ

Ilovecheese

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

I will ask you too Ilovecheese. Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win?

I don't know yet because I don't know what the policies are under Keir Starmer. If he wants to keep at least some of the policies that were in the last manifesto then yes, I would want the labour Party to win.
If they want to be more Tory than the Tories, then no.

Ngaio1

Anyone had to be better that the last leader. I think he has the gravitas to appeal to many people. He certainly worked with the Prime Minister over Covid and for the good of the country by not making snide political points. (Are you listening, |Nicola?).

I agree he does have gravitas and appeal - and he is the type of thinker who cuts through the waffle - Ngaio1, but it is too soon, annoyingly but because of Covid, to see where he - as their elected leader - will position the party. It is going to be interesting to find out.

Ilovecheese

PippaZ

Ilovecheese

It looks to me that he doesn't care what the party members think, because their approval is not what will win him an election. What will help him is convincing the people that voted Conservative that he shares their values.

I will ask you too Ilovecheese. Would you like the Labour Party under Starmer to win?

I don't know yet because I don't know what the policies are under Keir Starmer. If he wants to keep at least some of the policies that were in the last manifesto then yes, I would want the labour Party to win.
If they want to be more Tory than the Tories, then no.

That is very much how I feel Ilovecheese. I think this year has been useful in some ways but I do hope we start to see a flowering of policy direction. I suppose that will depend on where Covid takes us to some degree but even disruption can become "the normal" after a while and then we have to move forward.

I expect I am at the other end to you though. I would like a centre-left government and I will have up and down worries about the power of the unions. Big money and deceit in the Tory party make me think we need them but I dislike any party being in the hands of the piper means I would rather they didn't have so much power. I may have to accept that is an all-round given in any party and they may be able to update more than they have done in the recent past and appeal to a bigger audience.

Galaxy

I think he has an enormous amount of work to do. Anyone thinking this could be done in a year is deluded. I hope he is strong enough to stand up to the nonsense, I worry that he may not be but we will see. I suspect as I have said endlessly that he will not be PM but will move the party to being electable.

You could be right Galaxy. I don't know enough about the Labour Party to guess who could then lead them to election.

I agree he does have gravitas and appeal - and he is the type of thinker who cuts through the waffle
But none of these qualities appealed to the Red wall in 2019. In fact it is entirely the opposite which did so. Short catchy statements, a few buzz words, seem to be what is required. As for gravitas Really !!??