The Queen and dedication to duty in the 21st Century

What would an Elected of State be like Wouldnt have all these servants running after him or her that's for sure.

Alegrias1

I ain't no subject. Probably, neither are you.

I'm a British citizen.
It says so on my passport.

Grany

What would an Elected of State be like Wouldnt have all these servants running after him or her that's for sure.

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I think I've learned something from this thread.

Many people who support the monarchy just like having a Queen who was born to the position and is committed to doing it until the very end. The position might entail smiling and waving, or signing documents for the government, or actually just existing. I expect the same will be true for a king, in the future.

So we can have that, can't we? A person who can trace their lineage back to medieval monarchs, who embodies what we believe are the characteristics of the people of our nation, and who is quite good at waving and speaking to the public. (Danny Dyer springs to mind. No, stop it Alegrias)

But does that person have to be involved in government? Do they have to command utmost respect, irrespective of what they do? Do we need to have an intimate knowledge of their extended family and all their goings on? I don't think so.

I feel it is somewhat ironic that a lot of ‘old ‘ people are telling another ‘old’ person that she is past it and not able to do the job she has dedicated her life to. That of supporting our nation to the best of her ability. This at a time when she is probably at her lowest ebb and needs a little support herself.

Davsgril

I feel it is somewhat ironic that a lot of ‘old ‘ people are telling another ‘old’ person that she is past it and not able to do the job she has dedicated her life to. That of supporting our nation to the best of her ability. This at a time when she is probably at her lowest ebb and needs a little support herself.

This exactly! Its not for us to say what she should or shouldn't do. I din't think she belives in the divine right of kings (or queens) but I do think that she believes that she has been consecrated to her role.

It's quite sad really that she didn't retire earlier while her husband was alive. But perhaps continuing will keep her mind off her grief. She's an exceptional woman to have given herself to service for as long as she has. Someone made the comment that anyone can be king but that only happened in the dark ages and no I don't support a republic.

Our current Queen cannot trace her lineage back to medieval times. She is from the German branch of royalty, the Battenbergs , I believe.

There is a to programme about RF 1969 queen wants BBC to ban Its because they don't work just pretend we see them at leisure at races so it would spoil the mystique if we saw how ordinary they all are.

Here you can see a critique of the banned film.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Rfkz-4PNQ

What do you think?

Callestemon I meant to say What would an Elected Head of State be like? Wouldn't need lots of servants for him or her that's certain.

She has no say in anything just a expensive ornament now time for them all to step down and live happily ever after!! All got nice big estates and plenty money in the bank I’m sure!

I know that the Queen has Ladies in Waiting and at least one would accompany her on official visits, but the person in charge of her wardrobe is Angela Kelly, who is a paid employee, and is reported to have become a close friend of the Queen after many years service. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Queen requires helping bathing at her great age, my own mother, aged 93, has a carer to help her shower and dress every morning.

The role of monarch is - they believe or C of E believe - directly appointed by God. So i would say it is their belief that God has given and therefore God gives or takes away.

Personally good on QE11 keep going as long as she wishes she is delegating roles to others.
What will be will be over the next few years. I am sure if she had wanted to she could have retired. She has dedicated her life and she must feel that is as long as it can be.
She is lucky not to have had to retire through ill health!
I don't think anybody in any dynasty will ever break the length of her reign now but maybe if she keeps going she will guarantee that! She may even go on to become the World's oldest woman at some point!

Yes she can vegansrock.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_English_monarchs

"I think to a degree she does believe that. She certainly believes she is God’s anointed."

The Queen was indeed anointed at her Coronation and will continue in that role until death. I think the European abdications which have taken place were not anointed monarchs?

It seems to me that our Queen is perfectly able to carry on. Whatever age we are we all need a little help and encouragement to do our best - which is what is happening with the Queen and (most of) her children.

Incidentally, when Edward VIII abdicated he never made the fuss that H and M are making - he just left with Mrs S and got on with his life.

Their surname before they changed it was Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

A pope is allowed to retire - why not the titular head of the church of England?
I think it should be the choice of the queen herself. I suppose she can - and probably does - delegate some of her duties to Prince Charles or other members of the royal family. It's Prince Charles I feel sorry for - imagine hanging on till you are over 70 - as I am now - and waiting for your mother to die before you can take over the family business. Perhaps King Charles III will amend the rules so the reigning monarch can serve a fixed term and then enjoy a well-earned retirement.

Casdon

Yes she can vegansrock.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_English_monarchs

Agreed. I did a bit of research that always gets me into trouble on this forum vegansrock

She is descended from Elizabeth of Bohemia who was the daughter of James VI & I. So, a Stuart. The Stuarts became prominent in Scotland during the reign of Robert the Bruce, when they were his Stewards - i.e. the butler.

The family were more fecund that the Bruces and took over when their male line died out and they married into the Bruce's female line. She's in charge because her ancestors were good at fighting and had lots of children.

(Hard hat on)

But does that person have to be involved in government? Do they have to command utmost respect, irrespective of what they do? Do we need to have an intimate knowledge of their extended family and all their goings on? I don't think so.

As Head of State I think it's inevitable that the monarch has to be involved to a certain extent in the government of the country but I doubt they have a great deal of influence and they should not - although it is a pity recently that HM has not stepped in once or twice! A benign oversight is essential and I doubt you will find a President either political or apolitical, who does not take a keen interest in the politics of their country. What would be the point of a monarch or any president otherwise?

As for the Established Church and the monarch being Supreme Governor of the C of E, perhaps that is outdated in an increasingly multi-faith country.
Prince Charles understands that dilemma I think.

The media is to blame for the non-stop drip-feed of stories, photos of the family but some do manage to keep a lower profile and get on with the job.

Do we care what Catherine or Meghan wear and whether or not it is similar to what Diana wore? Do we need pages of this in newspapers and magazines eg Hello? No, they're not celebrities. It's intrusive, not all of them court publicity. And as for long distance lenses, words fail me.
As Princess Anne would say "Naff off"!

vegansrock

Our current Queen cannot trace her lineage back to medieval times. She is from the German branch of royalty, the Battenbergs , I believe.

We all can, vegansrock

....an elected Head of State........Wouldn’t need lots of servants for him or her that’s certain.

But it’s not certain. Do you think that the President of the USA runs the White House alone? There’ll be many staff there, not just clerical staff, but many who run the house. The same for any elected Head of State. There would be many staff helping to run the residence of any Head of State we chose to have. Incidentally the RF don’t call their staff servants, they’re called staff and are paid for their work. The Ladies in Waiting are not staff, they are personal friends of the Queen who support her in her work. They are not carers who wash and dress her her. They attend functions with her and deal with her correspondence and so on.

I don't think she'll abdicate.She made the promise to devote her life to the country.But other members of the royal family are doing the foreign travel on her behalf,and doing a lot of the other engagements too.That will continue,but the Queen will still appear in public,I hope she can continue to do so,she does look more frail now.

The Queen's ancestry does trickle back to King Alfred the Great. A random German family didn't just plonk itself on the British throne they came through a bloodline.

We don’t need to know intimate details of their private life, Diana kicked that off , I can’t recall personal details being broadcast before.

They did that documentary years ago which I think they regretted and then Edward et al were in that daft TV programme, Grand Knockout for charity.