Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

Johnson is isolated in Downing Street with no trusted longstanding aides and, according to Tory MPs risks becoming uncontrollable.
Case and Rosenfield are considered to be too politically inexperienced to deal with the toxicity now raging in No 10, who normally would be expected to intervene, but nothing is happening

Johnson is surrounded by inexperienced staff and people who he doesn’t particularly know.

Guardian 27/4

I’m with Sherelle Jacob’s article in the Telegraph this morning:

“There is nothing like a Westminster scandal to expose the chasm between the public and the metropolitan commentariat. While the chattering classes salivate over claims that Boris Johson was willing to let “the bodies pile high” to avoid a third lockdown, and the Left launch a Twitter revolution against Tory sleaze, ordinary people merely feel irritation. At this time of national crisis, the Dominic Cummings saga seems a distraction. Tory backbenchers who are no Boris loyalists report not to have received a single letter on the affair from constituents. They are more preoccupied by the prudence of low traffic neighbourhoods as high streets recover from the pandemic, and cancer waiting lists.”

I haven’t read anything other than the headlines in the DM. The DM makes the Guardian seem understanding and compassionate in its analysis of where Johnson finds himself.
There’s a headline quoting Cameron’s description of Cummings as a career psychopath. Lots of questions about why Johnson employed Cummings, particularly the Downing St garden press conference held by Cummings.
Messy messy messy. It does seem that Cummings will not only damage Johnson’s credibility further but is out to destroy him.

Mr.Cummings was sacked, he has an agenda, he is throwing a temper tantrum!

I will repeat again, this time last year folks in newspapers and on here were deriding Mr.Cummings as a Machiavellian liar, twelve months on he is the messiah...

Never be so naive as to believe that what has and is happening does not matter.

It matters is so many ways.

Just look at the international newspapers and the articles about Johnson. Time after time - he started off as a clown and someone to be laughed at, a second rate Trump, but now morphed into a sleazy and corrupt politician Who can’t be trusted in and deals.

As far as the U.K. voter, time will tell, but don’t forget that Majors government fell as a result of sleaze but far less serious than this woeful trail of corruption, theft from the taxpayer, and incompetence, to get her with constant lying and internal warfare.

Who is describing Cummings as the messiah?
The consensus I see on this discussion is he’s an untrustworthy snake. That hasn’t changed. Many posters on previous discussions have suggested he has information that could destabilise Johnson.
Cummings is a nasty piece of work. Employing him, the standing by him after the Barnard Castle issue said a good deal about Johnson. None of it cimplimentary

My messiah reference was that folks on MSM and those with left leaning politics will cling on to anything/anyone who they think will bring down Mr.Johnson.

Whilst the man/women in the street just wants to know when their second vaccine is, when they can visit family, ensure their job is safe etc...

Cummings isn’t the messiah?.

You are misreading people’s opinions if you think we have had such a Damascene change. Cummings will always be associated with Bernard Castle and the lies and law breaking.

But it is clear that Cummings has plenty of Johnson’s skeletons which he can bring out as he wishes to destroy Johnson’s reputation.

Not that he has much of a one to begin with.

Cummings isn't the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy.

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vegansrock

Yes suziewoozie anyone who uses suicide statistics as a measure of that country’s wellbeing obviously do not understand the way suicide statistics are compiled. Anyway what’s this got to do with the cesspit that is Downing Street.?

I think it’s to do with left wing=bad as proved by the ‘facts’ (???) that people in countries with left wing governments are alcoholics, unhappy and kill themselves ergo right wing = good and Johnson is perfect

Alegrias1

Cummings isn't the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy.

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The right are really rattled are they not - apologies for understating the extent of the rattledness previously when I used the term ‘tad’ as an adjective. Just listened to Therese Coffey on R4 - it’s toe curling to hear

Johnson must be feeling very isolated as all his long time close aides have left him in recent months including, Cain and Lister. The only experienced communications expert left is Symonds.

They must be massively worried over what Cummings will do next. 26th May being a worry.

Cummings knows that his reputation is shot with the public, so he will have to be very clever in the way he plays his cards.

One thing a Tory source quipped- Johnson is fighting a war on so many fronts that it begins to get confusing. Although they did think one of the bigger most damaging reports is that Johnson knew about the European Super League and gave it his tacit support.
This would have had the potential to be career ending, it just seems to have got lost in amongst all the other scandals.

suziewoozie the Conservative voters I know are not rattled (a tad or otherwise)

We just find amusing watching those left of centre pinning their colours to the mask of someone who they have berated for the last year or more, that reeks of desperation.

The eighty seat majority must really hurt.

suziew you really are rattled yourself over any perceived insult to being left wing, and bring it up at every opportunity.
Finland has always had a terrible record for alcoholism and suicides, so much so that they had a particular programme to try and reduce it, which they have been quite successful in,
However the country still has high levels of both, plus drug related deaths.You can compare the stats until you are blue in the face and try and deny them ( although why you should do that is mystifying.) Look up how things are in Finland...it has high happiness levels reported but also high misery levels.

Moving on.....? Cummings may have a few skeletons stashed away ( what special advisor in Downing St wouldn’t?) but it’s more a question of how he can flesh them out.

Well I think it’s good to see Boris has some passion inside him about what lies ahead for the future of the UK economy. I was starting to give up. Let's hope he stands firm in future and there are no more lockdowns.
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The Telegraph piece is insulting to the "ordinary people" it seeks to represent. To suggest that ordinary people are more concerned with smooth flowing traffic that they are with the trustworthiness and honesty of the people we have in charge of the country is just gaslighting.

Nothing to see here, move along, its all just blown out of proportion...

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey, do you think we all floated down the Laggan in a bubble?

lemongrove

suziew you really are rattled yourself over any perceived insult to being left wing, and bring it up at every opportunity.
Finland has always had a terrible record for alcoholism and suicides, so much so that they had a particular programme to try and reduce it, which they have been quite successful in,
However the country still has high levels of both, plus drug related deaths.You can compare the stats until you are blue in the face and try and deny them ( although why you should do that is mystifying.) Look up how things are in Finland...it has high happiness levels reported but also high misery levels.

Moving on.....? Cummings may have a few skeletons stashed away ( what special advisor in Downing St wouldn’t?) but it’s more a question of how he can flesh them out.

Finland’s suicide rate is not 2x that of Sweden’s and repeat Finland’s suicide rate etc..... You haven’t read my link have you?

Granny have you read the thread we have talked about being able to hold conflicting opinions. Actually things would be much easier if people were able to do that more frequently along with other things such as changing their mind, etc.

Its not true because I don't believe it and if you keep saying it is and showing me facts I'll scweam and scweam and scweam until I'm sick.

Sorry, I'm in that kind of mood today.

Sigh

GrannyGravy13

suziewoozie the Conservative voters I know are not rattled (a tad or otherwise)

We just find amusing watching those left of centre pinning their colours to the mask of someone who they have berated for the last year or more, that reeks of desperation.

The eighty seat majority must really hurt.

But they are not, are they? They are tracking what your great hero has been doing. If Cummings adds more information on this so be it. I can't see anywhere where those wanting more information about just what Johnson has been doing are "pinning their colours" to Cummings. He would still be, in my opinion, a danger to this country if he could get vicarious power again.

So, this is just another of the famed logical fallacies the right on here loves so much. You are fighting an argument that doesn't exist. Easier, I know, than actually proving your hero has some sort of moral compass.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the wee donkey, do you think we all floated down the Laggan in a bubble?

No but I think you’ve been watching too much LoD Alegrias‼️
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And for what it’s worth, I don’t think her comments were gaslighting at all. If an MP’s mail doesn’t show concern about this Westminster brouhaha then whatever their concerns are that’s what needs addressing.

In all seriousness though, it worries me. That maybe some people think its all about who you believe, rather than being able to take in a broad view of what is being said and basing opinions on past performance and what we actually see politicians saying on the news, And how they say it.

Johnson on the news last night saying he didn't use that language was, shall we say, less than convincing. His little twinkly eyed tell for when he is lying, popping through at just the wrong moment.

Johnson is not my ‘hero’ nor GG13’s ....perish the thought!?
What does amuse us are the posters willing to believe every word that Cummings comes out with, when a year ago he was talked about on GN as some sort of devil ( Demonic) and branded a liar of the first order.Come on....you have to admit it’s pretty funny.

Oh, by all means, let's worry about the traffic UG. Maybe put it on the to-do list after "address serious concerns about party leader's suitability for office."