Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

GrannyGravy13

Mr.Johnson’s government has just secured 60 million doses of Pfizer vaccine for Sep/Oct boosters. Well done them ??

This is what the men/women in the street are interested in.

I suspect that the governments decision to purchase the Pfizer booster dose will be as a result of advise from scientists.

The success of the vaccine programme is down to the NHS

PippaZ as someone who is in contact with an awful lot of people due to work, and a wide social circle (albeit on WhatsApp and zoom with friends at the moment apart from the gym) they are more concerned with when they can hug and visit GC indoors without the fear of being reported by an overly observant (nosey) neighbour.

They are relieved to be able to have a booster vaccine as insurance against a third wave of Covid-19. Getting on with their daily lives without the constant Daily Briefings and a fair few are turning away from the news and MSM.

Whether rightly or wrongly not everyone is a political animal taking GN as an example, the Political Threads would be overflowing with posters as opposed to the same old names day in and day out!

Vague memories from my working life of something called hygiene factors, does anyone remember those? After a while the things that used to be your main motivators become the things that you expect. So nothing to do with actual hygiene.

Buying vaccines is a bit like that, for me. I expect them to do it now, now that they've got the idea. They can't go on expecting kudos forever for something that should be "business as usual".

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ as someone who is in contact with an awful lot of people due to work, and a wide social circle (albeit on WhatsApp and zoom with friends at the moment apart from the gym) they are more concerned with when they can hug and visit GC indoors without the fear of being reported by an overly observant (nosey) neighbour.

They are relieved to be able to have a booster vaccine as insurance against a third wave of Covid-19. Getting on with their daily lives without the constant Daily Briefings and a fair few are turning away from the news and MSM.

Whether rightly or wrongly not everyone is a political animal taking GN as an example, the Political Threads would be overflowing with posters as opposed to the same old names day in and day out!

As it's not really the sort of thing that you would bring up in normal daily chit chat one would have no way of knowing what your wide circle of contacts is thinking. For all you know, they might be well aware of what is going an, and concerned about it.

I'm always intrigued by the question of how on earth do people make judgements/choices when it comes to voting if they don't take the slightest interest in how the country, or their locality, is being run?

Exactly Alegrias1, why should we applaud the government for doing what they are supposed to do? I acknowledge the foresight in getting the vaccines ordered early, but the success of the rollout is down to the NHS and volunteers. Although I appreciate that not everyone spends their time talking about politics with their friends, some, if not most of us, are not so vacuous that we can be distracted from what is happening by being able to hug grandchildren. Funnily enough, I am able to function as normal, potter about, meet friends, worry about my children, and still find time to be interested in and concerned about the corruption and lies being carried out in full sight.

MaizieD in my opinion I think the last 13 months have refocused a lot of people, we have had our normal way of life taken away from us.

No longer can we pop on a plane to visit friends/family overseas, no spontaneous get togethers whether it be friends or family, no theatre, no eating out (comfortably with no restrictions). Babies/toddlers never seeing people without face-coverings, no baby/toddler groups to socialise .

Many many folks are fearful of their job security, haven’t had the luxury of working from home or being furloughed.

Politics for some is just so far down their agendas, when everyday is followed (hopefully) by the next, and whatever it may bring.

Yesterday, I had my hair cut for the first time in a year. The hairdresser, whom I've never known to be a political animal, wanted to rant about what she'd seen/read about Johnson and bodies piling up. Her father-in-law died just after New Year from Covid. Anecdotal, I know, but it seems this is getting through.

PS. The hairdresser is the salon owner and has lost a fortune from lockdown, but she was still angry that people hadn't been following the rules.

People might that think that they are not interested in politics but most aspects of our lives are affected/defined by both politics and the law. We now have a PM and government who think they are above the law. Not only that but they are trying to change the law to suit themselves. Having lied to the queen and unlawfully tried to prorogue* parliament and got away with it Johnson thinks he omnipotent. What he didn’t bank on was having an opposition leader who just happens to be one of the best lawyers (barristers? I never know the difference) in the country. Our ability to one day be able to hug our grandchildren depends entirely on the people governing this country, their relationship with ‘experts’ and their own moral decency.
*prorogue....as for all those people that aren’t interested in politics, how many people (me included) didn’t know the meaning of the word but now do?

As most seem to agree that the vaccine roll out is a huge success thanks to the NHS and the voluntary sector could we perhaps agree that had the same systems been used for test, track and trace we might have had fewer deaths and less need to lockdown. But of course Boris's mates would be out of pocket.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD in my opinion I think the last 13 months have refocused a lot of people, we have had our normal way of life taken away from us.

No longer can we pop on a plane to visit friends/family overseas, no spontaneous get togethers whether it be friends or family, no theatre, no eating out (comfortably with no restrictions). Babies/toddlers never seeing people without face-coverings, no baby/toddler groups to socialise .

Many many folks are fearful of their job security, haven’t had the luxury of working from home or being furloughed.

Politics for some is just so far down their agendas, when everyday is followed (hopefully) by the next, and whatever it may bring.

And I am saying, GG13, that you have absolutely no idea whether or not they are interested in politics or aware of what is going on unless you have had that conversation with them. Have you done that?

I find that most people are happy to voice an opinion if the topic is raised.

If you vision of 'everyday people' is the correct one then I am more and more convinced that they have no right to a vote!

trisher

As most seem to agree that the vaccine roll out is a huge success thanks to the NHS and the voluntary sector could we perhaps agree that had the same systems been used for test, track and trace we might have had fewer deaths and less need to lockdown. But of course Boris's mates would be out of pocket.

there were many qualified people who put themselves forward for Track n Trace, including local authority public health experts who spend their working lives tracing contacts, but as we know, this administration doesn't like experts.

MaizieD my opinion is just as valued as yours.

And yes we have had conversations regarding politics.

If someone has a right to vote in any UK elections, I defend their right to do so, regardless of what you think on the matter.

trisher

As most seem to agree that the vaccine roll out is a huge success thanks to the NHS and the voluntary sector could we perhaps agree that had the same systems been used for test, track and trace we might have had fewer deaths and less need to lockdown. But of course Boris's mates would be out of pocket.

Absolutely right

One key feature of the success with vaccines has been its organisation on a local not national basis. The same should have happened with test and trace from day one.

And didn’t they decide not to bother with test and face last year because there was so much community spread they didn’t think it was worth it. That was Chris Whitty as well. So many mistakes have been made.

When will we see a Public Inquiry into the mishandling of the pandemic in the UK?

Soon? Sometime? Never?

Latest grenade from Cummings.

Johnson describing Hancock as totally f….g useless more than a year ago. Yet he continually inflicted Hancock on the NHS and us.

Since Johnson’s default way of speech is hyperbole - fantastic, terrific, world-beating - , when things are adequate at best, it may work in reverse as well. So when he says someone is useless, he may actually mean that they’re doing a reasonable job.