Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

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So Dominic Cummings drops hints that he approached Tory Donors to lend PM some dosh to add to the £30,000 refurbishment allowance all PM’s get, suddenly DC is believed.

In that case his Barnard Castle eye test and his reasons for travelling the length of the Country with his young son and wife when he thought he may have Covid were obviously altruistic...

Doodledog

That's one way of spinning the sleaze. If the last point were replaced with 'UK PM spending taxpayers' money on decorating his grace and favour flat', however, it would take on a different slant.

I think the only one who wouldn't spend much on the flat was Margaret Thatcher

Nice point - but he is PM and no one should be excusing his behaviour as if he were a child ( although he is)

I'm not excusing him.
PMs do need advisers but not to the extent that one seems to run the whole of government - that is why people do vote for a party and leader of choice. They hope for someone strong and competent.
It has been a worrying trend in recent years.

That's why so many voted against their principles because they felt they couldn't vote for Corbyn and whoever was advising him.
I doubt many lifelong Labour voters read the right wing press but yet they didn't vote for Corbyn. Thousands may have joined the Labour party as Grany says but that didn't matter when it came to the ballot box.
It won't matter next time either because, although the left wing of the LP despise Starmer, he may well get in.

Dyed in the wool voters of any party are not the ones who decide when it comes to the GE.
Last time it was amazing that even traditional Labour voters voted Tory and Johnson. It was a vote against Corbyn.

Anyway, that is old ground but entirely relevant because it led to where we are now.

That's one way of spinning the sleaze. If the last point were replaced with 'UK PM spending taxpayers' money on decorating his grace and favour flat', however, it would take on a different slant.

I have just seen this on Twitter

Country in lockdown

Travel Ban

Economy is pants

Indians have no oxygen

1/3 of the world in deep Covid sh*t

Race baiting everywhere

US riots

Russia doing what it wants

China brainwashing camps

modern day slavery

UK media who paid for Boris’s curtains

It's not only the Tories, I remember Tony Blair seemed to be making a fortune on the side when he was PM as well. He actually told more serious lies than a flat redecoration.

Whitewavemark2

Anyone like to defend Johnson and the Nolan principles?

Well his one objective was to get Brexit done, which he did.

Actually, regards Liz Truss. She could be a PM in waiting, I think she's doing a brilliant job.
Well, she's keeping up the tradition of not answering the question, if today's Andrew Marr is anything to go by.

As for Johnson's fiancee being responsible for all and sundry - that could only happen if he allowed his personal life and convenience to trump the interests of the nation and the electorate. Is that really the sort of person you want to run the country?

Anyone like to defend Johnson and the Nolan principles?

I think Liz Truss is doing well, yes some of the deals are re-hashing similar ones which we had whilst a member of the EU.

Nevertheless she is working away getting on with her brief

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9507871/Dominic-Cummings-loyalists-claim-PM-said-Carrie-control-impossible.html

worth a read maybe.

Whitewavemark2

Truss always sounds like a 78 record on the wrong speed.

She’s certainly a record - plays whatever tune she’s been programmed for by No 10!?

Truss always sounds like a 78 record on the wrong speed.

Urmstongran

Actually, regards Liz Truss. She could be a PM in waiting, I think she's doing a brilliant job. Quietly getting on with it. I can't understand the doom and negativity which mushrooms every time she's responsible for something good happening, but I've concluded that for some people being miserable cynics is their comfort zone.
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Actually it’s because every trade deal she trumpets is either worse or no better than the one it’s replacing. You appear not to have followed the Japanese one.

MayBee70

The difference between Johnson and Cummings is that Cummings will have kept a record and evidence of everything that’s happened. I personally think that Johnson isn’t actually a bad person at heart: privileged and foolish yes but not bad. Cummings is pretty evil, but much much smarter. I’m finding it all gruesomely fascinating.

I think Cummings is calculating whereas I doubt if BoJo has ever seriously calculated anything in his life. He's a chancer, quite simply, out for number 1. Hard to credit that he once had reputation for his debating skills. Going on his performance at PMQs, he couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag.

The Nolan principles.

In my view Johnson fails on every single one.

Integrity

Selflessness

Objectivity

Accountability

Openness

Honesty

Leadership.

Actually, regards Liz Truss. She could be a PM in waiting, I think she's doing a brilliant job. Quietly getting on with it. I can't understand the doom and negativity which mushrooms every time she's responsible for something good happening, but I've concluded that for some people being miserable cynics is their comfort zone.
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Whose

Urmstongran

“Westminster insiders are mystified why Mr Johnson chose to pick this fight with someone who could cause him so much political damage"

They needn't be, and they need look no further than Boris’ fiancée. Those kind of people never give up until they have totally destroyed their adversaries. She won round one by getting Cummings out of No.10. She is going to lose the rest of the rounds and take Boris down with her if he’s not careful.

Well it gets better and better - it’s acceptable to have a PM who’s fiancée is actually determining the future of the country? ??????It’ll all be her fault - talk about infantalising him -,’Wahhhh mummeee a mean girl did it, not meeeee wahhhh’

Urmstongran

^I like my governments to have integrity and a moral compass^

Like Blair?

Certainly not!

Oh look, a squirrel.

I like my governments to have integrity and a moral compass

Like Blair?

Depends upon your constituency. FPTP can mean casting your vote elsewhere is a waste of a vote. Maybe spoiling the ballot paper though - that might be an option...

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 I have not missed any point, thank you.

Good to hear, I thought you had.

Johnson has spent his entire life running from responsibility, this is just another instance, but one with a real sting as since becoming PM he has broken the law beginning with the illegal prorogation to failure to declare gifts to contemplating tax fraud.

Eventually he will answer, and I hope it will be in court.

I like my governments to have integrity and a moral compass.m