Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

MayBee70

The difference between Johnson and Cummings is that Cummings will have kept a record and evidence of everything that’s happened. I personally think that Johnson isn’t actually a bad person at heart: privileged and foolish yes but not bad. Cummings is pretty evil, but much much smarter. I’m finding it all gruesomely fascinating.

Not bad how he’s treated his wives and children? Not bad how he’s lied his whole adult life? Really? Hummm who do you consider bad I wonder?

Images of Nosferatu in my head thinking about it....

The difference between Johnson and Cummings is that Cummings will have kept a record and evidence of everything that’s happened. I personally think that Johnson isn’t actually a bad person at heart: privileged and foolish yes but not bad. Cummings is pretty evil, but much much smarter. I’m finding it all gruesomely fascinating.

There are rumours flying round twitter that Cummings has recordings too.

Popcorn at the ready...

Kali2

MaizieD

May we ask who s/he is, so we can judge for ourselves.

Who are you referring to, here, Kali2?

GrannyGravy13's very good constituency MP, who happens to be conservative.

Thanks for clarifying

What good will a vote for the Greens do? Much as I like and admire Caroline Lucas isn’t she their only MP? And even a best case scenario would result in a handful of Green MP’s. So many Labour voters are saying they’ll vote Green in future which means we will have a Conservative government forever.

MaizieD

^May we ask who s/he is, so we can judge for ourselves.^

Who are you referring to, here, Kali2?

GrannyGravy13's very good constituency MP, who happens to be conservative.

Callistemon - I was a firm Lib Dem for a while. My MP was Nick Clegg ?. I live in a City full of students and graduates who stayed and made their homes here. Go figure. They don’t vote Lib Dem anymore round here.

Thinking... this is the core problem isn’t it? We often vote for/against the ‘leader’ rather than the best MP for our area/values. Was it always like this?? I can’t remember it being so personality based in the past??

Kali2. Yes I know. I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for that man. (Either of them!). We need a better system where our votes actually count. That’s for another thread tho.

May we ask who s/he is, so we can judge for ourselves.

Who are you referring to, here, Kali2?

May we ask who s/he is, so we can judge for ourselves.

Polarbear- I do understand you- but we all know that with our voting system, First Past the Post- your vote would never count.

Polarbear2

Always astonishes me that you’d vote for BJ ‘because you don’t want Corbyn’. Did you not consider the Greens? Lib Dem’s? Anybody other than BJ?? I didn’t want Corbyn either but the alternative of BJ was just too awful to consider. He’s a vile awful person with no principles. At least JC had principles even if you didn’t like them. My Vote went Green and will do again. PS I’ve voted for various parties over the years. I choose carefully based on policies and the integrity of those involved.

I voted Lib Dem and look what happened!

Polarbear2

Always astonishes me that you’d vote for BJ ‘because you don’t want Corbyn’. Did you not consider the Greens? Lib Dem’s? Anybody other than BJ?? I didn’t want Corbyn either but the alternative of BJ was just too awful to consider. He’s a vile awful person with no principles. At least JC had principles even if you didn’t like them. My Vote went Green and will do again. PS I’ve voted for various parties over the years. I choose carefully based on policies and the integrity of those involved.

I have a very good constituency MP, who happens to be Conservative. Greens or Lib Dem’s didn’t have a snowball in hells chance of being elected and the Labour offering was dire!

Always astonishes me that you’d vote for BJ ‘because you don’t want Corbyn’. Did you not consider the Greens? Lib Dem’s? Anybody other than BJ?? I didn’t want Corbyn either but the alternative of BJ was just too awful to consider. He’s a vile awful person with no principles. At least JC had principles even if you didn’t like them. My Vote went Green and will do again. PS I’ve voted for various parties over the years. I choose carefully based on policies and the integrity of those involved.

Well all in this current government supported Cummings over the Barnard Castle debacle, that tainted them all. Now he’s turning, can’t wait for the next mud slinging from Scummings

"He sacked Cummings ( a clever but anarchic man) and nothing that DC now comes out with will be believable because of his sacking."

Ah! And that's where he's possibly gone wrong. Allegedly, it was Johnson himself who informed his mates in the media that Cummings was responsible for the leaks. The rumour is that it was a good friend of Carrie, Henry Newton, who was responsible for the leaks.

It would appear he gambled on nobody believing Cummings, but Cummings has kicked back.

In any case, which is more important - the leaks or the Cameron, Dyson, Arcuri and redecorating news? Could it be a distraction from the really important issues?

So many people in the UK voted for Johnson solely to keep Corbyn out...this fact cannot be emphasised enough, I agree, and tragically, some in the Labour party just cannot see that, but that is a subject for another thread! I did think that Johnson would skip off this January, having 'got Brexit done' but I was wrong there. I suspect we have just started seeing the beginning of what will be an unedifying time in Tory politics, I always imagine the HoC being like the Tudor Court with plotting and whispering in the corridors. For the record, I don't like, and don't trust Cummings either. In a way, I can stand back and watch this unfold, knowing that none of it is down to me; I didn't vote for Brexit, I didn't vote Tory and I wasn't one of the misguided fools who thought that Johnson would make a good PM! I seem to remember there was a GN member who said that as a party member, she had voted for Johnson, I wonder how she feels now?

You're right lemongrove including members of his own party.

I tell myself that because it happens to be true Gill nobody could ever trust what Cummings said once he was sacked.
There will no doubt be a mix of truth and lies from him about his time at number ten now, but an employee scorned (especially an arrogant one) can’t be believed at all.He has his own agenda.
As to Johnson, he was always unsuitable to be a PM, and not simply because he lies and is lazy about detail, but in my view because he wants to be liked too much.He was the Conservative members choice for leader and Gove or anyone else wasn’t.He may last out until the next GE and be voted in again, or they may replace him just before the GE or ( the more likely outcome given how many years the Conservatives have been in power) Starmer will win it.
So many people in the UK voted for Johnson solely to keep Corbyn out...this fact cannot be emphasised enough.

I and many others saw Boris Johnson as the lesser of two evils.

I could never have voted for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.

Boris Johnson got his 80 seat majority on the premise get Brexit done which he did. Whether or not it will be successful for the UK only time will tell.

There was a stalemate in parliament because Johnson was more busy with his own agenda to become PM than supporting Teresa Mays attempts to get brexit done.

Ok Lemon, you keep telling yourself that. I loathe the man, I loathe his behaviour, his disdain for people, his lies, and all the other things which are well documented. Did you see the clip on HIGNFY last night? Johnson out campaigning for the local elections, couldn't even bother his lazy arse to find out the name and party of the local Mayor he was supposed to be out supporting. Truly pathetic. If we are not to believe Cummings because he may be a man scorned due to being sacked, then what of the liar in chief himself? He has been sacked by employers, party leaders ( and wives), so is he motivated only by revenge? I am no fan of Cummings, and he made a mockery of covid restrictions with the eye test farago, but Johnson let it happen and supported him.

Nandalot

This is probably Cummings’ ultimate aim. Isn’t he a bit of an anarchist?

Yes, he is, which is why it was surprising that he worked for any government, unless his plan was to cause mayhem in subtle ways.Clever and hard working but ultimately so arrogant that he was sacked.

GillT57

A brave attempt lemon but it looks like you are on your own today. I keep repeating this I know, but the behaviour of Johnson and his cabinet should be angering every person in this country, he is a liar, a cheat, lazy, self serving and not to be trusted in what he says and does, but if it suits some people to completely throw over their personal principles just to get a Tory government then there is little I can say that will change their mind.

Brave? Because Tory hating posters may attack me for posting facts? Please read my posts, because facts is what they certainly are. Do I write anywhere on this thread that Johnson is wonderful....have I *ever *said so on any thread at all on GN at any time since he was chosen as leader? The answer is a resounding NO. Has he done well in certain areas? Yes he has.
He got things moving with leaving the EU when there was an utter stalemate in Parliament.He has led a government that has got a fast roll out of vaccinations, so that the UK is doing very well now as regards to Covid.
He sacked Cummings ( a clever but anarchic man) and nothing that DC now comes out with will be believable because of his sacking.
It was worth supporting Johnson to keep Corbyn and his ilk out of power btw as far as I ( and other millions) were concerned.?