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Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

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Iam64 Fri 23-Apr-21 18:55:04

Demonic has suggested that Mr Johnson has been not entirely honest about his communications with James Dyson.

I recognise many people believe Mr J was ‘doing his best for the country in a pandemic’ when he offered to sort the tax for Mr Dyson. But, do we want ethical government or not?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 09:39:29

Lovetopaint037

The Dyson vacuum cleaner I bought turned out to be the worst one I had ever owned and remembering how it came at the bottom of the Which reviews as a result of build quality, I remember being less than impressed at the thought of them making a life saving piece of equipment. Dyson’s move to Singapore seemed to say it all as far as I was concerned; profit over loyalty to his country.

I agree we have 3 different makes in our house, for one reason or another, and the Dyson is the worst one. Overpriced and poor performance

lemongrove Sat 24-Apr-21 09:38:35

Aveline

*Suziewoozie*- of course its serious but it still reminds me of small boys playing tit for tat. Its a waste of energy and time when there are very serious matters at stake.

Yes.

lemongrove Sat 24-Apr-21 09:37:51

Whitewavemark2

Time after time it happens.

The Tory arrogance and sense of entitlement, along with an insatiable greed means that corruption cronyism, scandal and immorality leads to their downfall.

They then spend time pretending to clean up their act, and the process begins all over again.

?Well, whitewave they have been in power for a very long time now, where is this downfall that you speak of?

There is corruption, sleaze, scandal, cronyism etc in every government Tory or Labour since I became of voting age to take an interest in, and well before that by a very long time I expect.It’s naive to think otherwise.

Aveline Sat 24-Apr-21 09:37:21

Suziewoozie- of course its serious but it still reminds me of small boys playing tit for tat. Its a waste of energy and time when there are very serious matters at stake.

lemongrove Sat 24-Apr-21 09:33:14

The Dyson I have at the moment is the best vacuum cleaner I have ever bought.
So silly to equate politics with vacuum cleaners as you have just done Lovetopaint.
Cummings is a discredited force now, anything he says may be listened to but then dismissed as the angry and petulant jibes of a sacked employee who wants to keep his own name out there in current affairs.
suziew is right for once when she comments that it doesn’t matter.
Had Cummings still been employed in Number 10 it would matter, but as it is, it may be all very entertaining but that’s it.

Lovetopaint037 Sat 24-Apr-21 09:19:40

The Dyson vacuum cleaner I bought turned out to be the worst one I had ever owned and remembering how it came at the bottom of the Which reviews as a result of build quality, I remember being less than impressed at the thought of them making a life saving piece of equipment. Dyson’s move to Singapore seemed to say it all as far as I was concerned; profit over loyalty to his country.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 08:51:44

Time after time it happens.

The Tory arrogance and sense of entitlement, along with an insatiable greed means that corruption cronyism, scandal and immorality leads to their downfall.

They then spend time pretending to clean up their act, and the process begins all over again.

suziewoozie Sat 24-Apr-21 08:50:36

Aveline

There's something of the playground about it all really.

It’s far more serious than that but as I keep saying it won’t make any difference - not because it’s not important but because we have the most morally bankrupt and corrupt government ever.

Aveline Sat 24-Apr-21 08:44:58

There's something of the playground about it all really.

Polarbear2 Sat 24-Apr-21 08:43:31

I’m watching with great interest and not a little amusement. They’re a horrible set of people aren’t they. Fighting in a sack ?. I DO hope Gove takes over. Even though he makes my skin crawl. The people who voted for BJ because he’s a ‘laugh’ won’t fall for Gove. We might actually get a shift at the next election ?

suziewoozie Sat 24-Apr-21 08:28:39

Whitewavemark2

Dominic Grieves described Johnson as a

“Vacuum of integrity”

Well he’s not wrong is he but it simply doesn’t matter.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 08:26:55

Dominic Grieves described Johnson as a

“Vacuum of integrity”

suziewoozie Sat 24-Apr-21 08:20:39

Iam64

It seems no one who ever worked with, was married to, had an affair with Mr J for example, has a positive word for him. He is dishonest, unreliable and selfish.
Yet his popularity with many members of the public continues. He has the ability to make people smile. The successful immunisation campaign seems to have made the ‘contracts for pals with no qualifications - total waste of public money’ disappear in a puff of smoke.
The feud between Demonic and the laughing PM is interesting to those of us interested in politics. Will it have a negative impact on Johnson’s public image? What has to happen that will?

It’s quite fascinating trying to understand Johnson’s enduring Teflon coated popularity. Imo it’s about appealing to people’s basest instincts. Do what you want, when you want, to who you want, grin, ruffle your hair and repeat. There are plenty of people imo who would love to conduct themselves as he does and get away with it. He’s living their dream. No moral responsibility for anyone or anything. No need to ever feel guilty about anything. The vaccine success has provided the perfect cover hasn’t it? He’s forgiven everything for that. Johnson supporters don’t do balance or nuance do they?

Lucca Sat 24-Apr-21 08:12:05

It’s the same old story....... anything in a blue rosette is fine

Iam64 Sat 24-Apr-21 08:06:10

It seems no one who ever worked with, was married to, had an affair with Mr J for example, has a positive word for him. He is dishonest, unreliable and selfish.
Yet his popularity with many members of the public continues. He has the ability to make people smile. The successful immunisation campaign seems to have made the ‘contracts for pals with no qualifications - total waste of public money’ disappear in a puff of smoke.
The feud between Demonic and the laughing PM is interesting to those of us interested in politics. Will it have a negative impact on Johnson’s public image? What has to happen that will?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 07:50:55

Love this comment on twitter

“If you are going to employ a dead cat strategy, you should ensure that the cat is dead and not armed”

It shows just how stupid Johnson is.

Someone else commented that No 10 is beginning to look like Trump’s White House.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 07:44:51

No the arrogance doesn’t astound me.

What does astound me is the docility of the voter.

Lucca Sat 24-Apr-21 07:39:00

The arrogance of them all is astounding.

Maybe the same arrogance would be seen if other parties were in power, who knows. Power corrupts and all that.

Riverwalk Sat 24-Apr-21 07:38:20

Probably not suzie, with an 80-seat majority and a forgiving fan base, but I hope it gets dirty!

suziewoozie Sat 24-Apr-21 07:35:13

But River it won’t matter. It really won’t.

Riverwalk Sat 24-Apr-21 07:29:52

From Cummings's blog:

I will not engage in media briefing regarding these issues but will answer questions about any of these issues to Parliament on 26 May for as long as the MPs want.

If DM sticks to that, Bozzer will have a month to ponder what else he will spill the beans on.

It's gloves off grin

suziewoozie Sat 24-Apr-21 07:14:55

Whitewavemark2

Unless no 10 can manage to placate Cummings or at least put a lid on him, his appearance at next months select committee on the governments response to the covid emergency should be interesting.

Anyone know how close he still is to Gove?

There are some who believe that he and Gove live in the same cupboard, that Murdoch has anointed Gove as the next PM and that this is all an orchestrated plot to achieve that end. Gove has disappeared so he can play Mr Innocent when the time comes. Me, I think Gove hasn’t à hope in hell and that the success of the vaccine roll out was never anticipated.

Alexa Sat 24-Apr-21 07:10:38

The Conservative ethic is such that there is no need for surprise when the Greedy Party becomes even more greedy.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 02:57:06

I read with interest that after Johnson’s wheeze to encourage donors to pay for the No 11 flat, and then being told that it was unethical, if not illegal, Johnson apparently paid for the flat himself.

Now, the question is knowing Johnson’s income it is clear that his outgoings far exceed his income.

Johnson still has questions to answer.

HMRC must be a tad puzzled.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 24-Apr-21 02:01:24

Choices, choices

James O'Brien
@mrjamesob

Who do you believe? A scumbag who's spent his entire life lying to wives, mistresses, voters, employers & party leaders or a weirdo who won Brexit by sticking a massive lie on a bus & claims he drove 60 miles with his baby son in the back of the car in order to test his eyesight?