Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

Who needs a £5k drinks trolley, 2.5 million briefing room, 15k freebie holiday, and other extravagances isn’t the point - it’s the lying and coverups about it , plus the missing Cobra meeting to sort out the wallpaper that is the scandal.

What Johnson did or didn’t say will just be based on what people say they heard. But the scandal about the flat will have a paper trail.

GrannyGravy13

The bodies comment/outburst allegedly happened six months ago.

The timing of the leak is suspicious, obviously the Westminster Bubbles intentions areto damage the Conservatives standing in the local elections next week?

It's likely that the "Westminster Bubble" is within the Conservative Party itself. Why didn't they wait until after the local elections?

MaizieD

So...

If it were actually proven, say with a recording, that the PM said "No more *ing lockdowns - let the bodies pile high in their thousands!" would people *still be saying that he didn't really mean it, poor lamb, he was under stress?

What about the other allegations? Were they caused by stress too?

Urmstongran

This thread just runs on speculation, innuendo, snippets from toxic Twitter, unfettered joy in hoping to do Boris down and manufactured outrage.

In my opinion.
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I doubt if Sky, BBC and ITV get their news from Twitter.

No, no unfettered joy in doing Johnson down. There won't be a General Election, so we'll still have a Conservative government and the alternatives might not be any better, although it might send a signal that the public does care and won't put up with sleaze and cronyism

It's interesting that some people really do not appear to care about the morality of their leaders and will do anything to excuse them.

Thanks so much for adding “Demonic” and “Carrie Antoinette “ to the family vocabulary, that’s cheered me up no end.
Can I go back to not watching the news or reading the paper now, please? Just keep me posted on any funny bits ....

Basically gossip Urms ??

Manufactured and paid for loyalty / more like

What do you mean by manufactured outrage?

This thread just runs on speculation, innuendo, snippets from toxic Twitter, unfettered joy in hoping to do Boris down and manufactured outrage.

In my opinion.
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Any bets on who originally paid for the Russian brothel at No 11 flat?

My money is on Dyson or the Carphone bod.

I may have had a sense of humour bypass but I don’t think it’s something to make cartoons of or be amused by. Sorry.

So...

If it were actually proven, say with a recording, that the PM said "No more *ing lockdowns - let the bodies pile high in their thousands!" would people *still be saying that he didn't really mean it, poor lamb, he was under stress?

Urmstongran - I like your joke.

A little brevity whilst we all await some facts.

JenniferEccles

We mustn’t forget that the PM has been under huge pressure all along even from his own MPs, some of whom have wanted a different approach to the pandemic.
Judging by his reaction it’s likely some were insisting that a third lockdown at some point was inevitable, even desirable hence his emphatic turn of phrase.

If we had been privy to the conversation immediately prior to the alleged (and don’t forget it’s still only alleged) remark from Boris a lot of people may view it in a different light.

Politics is a dirty game and I expect there will be more ‘revelations’ to come from a vengeful individual.

For goodness sake let’s cut Boris some slack and allow him to get on with the job in hand.

No ones stopping him getting on with the job in hand. It just seems that he’s always too busy doing other things. Visiting schools, laboratories, playing football. Getting divorced, getting engaged, having baby showers. Missing COBRA meetings. Would anyone on this forum actually make the comment he did about bodies in ANY context I wonder? I know I wouldn’t.

The bodies comment/outburst allegedly happened six months ago.

The timing of the leak is suspicious, obviously the Westminster Bubbles intentions areto damage the Conservatives standing in the local elections next week?

Sorry - Gajahgran, I got your name wrong.

Gagahgran he's the boy who cried wolf. He's a proven, consistent liar. He was sacked from his job for being a liar. He lied to the queen for goodness sake.

It doesn't make sense to take anything he says at face value because his default setting is lying. I'm not sure he even knows he's doing it.

JenniferEccles

Although the bodies comment by the PM was a daft and tactless thing to say I am not joining those eager to condemn him.
We know nothing about the context under which the comment was made or even for sure who leaked it.
Cummings is the prime suspect of course as he has an axe to grind.

How many people come out with equally silly throw-away lines like “if he does that again I will kill him “?
Or another which I have seen several times on threads “I would rather stick pins in my eyes than do xxxxx”

Obviously not meant to be taken literally and Boris’s remark too was probably a frustrated response to MPs clamouring for further lockdowns when he was desperately trying to minimise the adverse effect earlier lockdowns had had on the country.

This story has been blown out of all proportion.

How many people are Prime Minister? One-the buck stops with him. If you can't stand the heat and all that. He wanted power without responsibility but he doesn't have that choice...

We mustn’t forget that the PM has been under huge pressure all along even from his own MPs, some of whom have wanted a different approach to the pandemic.
Judging by his reaction it’s likely some were insisting that a third lockdown at some point was inevitable, even desirable hence his emphatic turn of phrase.

If we had been privy to the conversation immediately prior to the alleged (and don’t forget it’s still only alleged) remark from Boris a lot of people may view it in a different light.

Politics is a dirty game and I expect there will be more ‘revelations’ to come from a vengeful individual.

For goodness sake let’s cut Boris some slack and allow him to get on with the job in hand.

Alegrias - you illustrate my point exactly even saying you would check if it was Tuesday!

His reported words, according to Sky: No more **ing lockdowns - let the bodies pile high in their thousands!

That's not an analogy. If he told me it was Tuesday I'd still check my calendar.

Maybe he didn't say it, we'll have to wait and see.

I am sure the bodies piling up comment was made not in anger but to illustrate the worst case scenario in which yet another lockdown could be imposed. Like saying for instance "when hell freezes over". I think it's called an analogy and not something to be taken literally. There are those that would find fault even if Boris said today is Tuesday.

I see Max Hastings has said that Johnson will resign soon, not for altruistic reasons but pure greed.
"Max Hastings - "People in this country don't seem to care anymore whether the leader of our country is a moral, decent, truthful man. They know he's a serial liar. They know we're not allowed to ask him how many children he's got... the country needs to pay attention... “