Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls?

Treads carefully...

The results show that in areas where the average level of education of the electorate is lower, the outcome was more likely to be for Brexit.

Blame who you like for that, but that's how it is.

So now we come to the period after 2016 and before the 2019 election.

This was almost entirely characterised by almighty struggles in Westminster between the Brexit and remain supporters.

Labours ambiguous policy regarding Brexit continued to lose it votes, and it’s continual lack of economic recovery plans for the North, meant we had the prospect of a previous unheard of phenomena of the Conservative party becoming more popular with the poorer classes than the wealthy.

One of Labour’s major mistakes during this period was to assume that the poor will always naturally vote left wing, but they catastrophically misunderstood the working class attitude to their perceived British national interests.

My Mum's area was always red (former mining) and changed to blue in 2010. She said all people see is the Conservative MP, who has an office in the town she lives in. She said she is visible, people can go in and talk to her about whatever they like and even though my Mum doesn't vote for her, she said she is a good MP and understands why people do. She said there has been more investment since the seat became blue, their houses have gone up in value, the schools have improved and that is what is important to people. She said they don't care about what they can't see.

I don't know if that helps. My area is a true blue and my MP is properly crap and I have no idea why people vote the way they do here.

So to the 2019 election.

Johnson came with the promise of Brexit.

He also talked of levelling up, and to invest in the infrastructure in the poorer areas of the North, guaranteed to attract the w/c vote, who had now broken their ties with the Labour Party.

The Tories were voted in with a good majority.

Trisher I think that you've hit the nail on the head.

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ I have more faith in humanity, Imdo not feel the need to snee

Sneer - such a nasty little Conservative word - is your's GrannyGravy most Tories on here seem to like the playground insults I notice.

I agree with putting the mask on yourself first in a plane crash but, unlike many who vote Tory, I think you should then help those around not push them to the floor and walk all over them to get the best for yourself.

Why do you not have contempt for this behaviour that has become the credo of the Tory Party? It's a bit poor that you too can't condemn it.

What a very weird post PippaZ

Whitewave It looks as if you do now understand why Conservatives are doing so well in the polls.

So the die is cast.

Whether this will be a permanent or temporary phenomena will depend on numerous factors and a bit of crystal ball gazing is needed here.

Once covid had been roundly defeated, Brexit must come up with the goods.

Economic downturns always hit the poor first and worst so Johnson cannot afford to allow this to happen to his red wall vote.

Future Labour policies will also play a major part in any vote, as I am not clear at this stage how firm the rejection of Labour is and whether the w/c will still see its interests with Labour if they come up with the promised goods.

At the moment the wind is still with Johnson, but if it remains so, and for how long, makes for a very interesting few years.

lemongrove

What a very weird post PippaZ

Whitewave It looks as if you do now understand why Conservatives are doing so well in the polls.

I always have done it is the suggestion that I didn’t drove me to spend more time than I would like explaining why those critical of me were wrong.

However that’s done so back to chatty posts, with hopefully no more bombs lobbed my way?

I didn’t know that any bombs had been dropped on you, but
Your OP and a few subsequent remarks suggested that you thought it was bewildering.The last few posts from you show that you do understand.Do you also think you understand what should be done to combat Labour’s fall from favour?

It seems to me that there have been so many elections and changes of Conservative leadership over the past few years that the electorate have forgotten that it is the previous Conservative government ((or the one before that) that are to blame for all the problems the country is facing. Buck passing on a huge scale.

lemongrove

I didn’t know that any bombs had been dropped on you, but
Your OP and a few subsequent remarks suggested that you thought it was bewildering.The last few posts from you show that you do understand.Do you also think you understand what should be done to combat Labour’s fall from favour?

That was just a bit of GN chat over Johnson’s corruption and moral vacuum.

The two are different.

Yes I think I understand in my way what needs doing, but that is for another day. I’m GNd out today?

GrannyGravy13

Mollygo unfortunately that is what many on GN think. (off to the gym will catch-up later)

Well, not me GG13 - it's so much easier to say such a thing than face what people do think isn't it? I have no idea what qualifications people on GN have and neither do you, except when people tell you. I doubt anyone on here is uneducated in this day and age.

I do think some posters who say they will vote for a government that has shown itself to be morally bereft, corrupt and venally incompetent to be complicit in what they are doing. I do find some of their attitudes to be less than moral. I have a level of contempt for that.

But that is just my opinion and no different to what some say about those who supported Corbyn and others over the years.

Whitewave2 I agree with you

PippaZ

GrannyGravy13

Mollygo unfortunately that is what many on GN think. (off to the gym will catch-up later)

Well, not me GG13 - it's so much easier to say such a thing than face what people do think isn't it? I have no idea what qualifications people on GN have and neither do you, except when people tell you. I doubt anyone on here is uneducated in this day and age.

I do think some posters who say they will vote for a government that has shown itself to be morally bereft, corrupt and venally incompetent to be complicit in what they are doing. I do find some of their attitudes to be less than moral. I have a level of contempt for that.

But that is just my opinion and no different to what some say about those who supported Corbyn and others over the years.

And that is why I started the thread.

At one level we know why folk voted Tory but there are many and I include many on GN in this who do not have the w/c excuse.

So why when someone is reasonably well off with no prospect of losing their income etc, would they vote for a government that is morally bankrupt and corrupt?n.

Whitewavemark2 I will explain for the umpteenth time why I voted Conservative last time round. I have a good constituency MP, I could not lend my vote to the shipped-in alternatives who made zero effort to introduce themselves or interact with the local Community.

I am totally against trial by media whoever/whatever the circumstances. If our PM is found to be guilty in a court of law of any illegalities then he should suffer the appropriate consequences.

I do dip in and out of the political pages of several newspapers leading up to elections, and take more interest of MPs of all parties on Twitter etc. The negative comments were / are mainly from Labour MP’s, as for Brexit I can remember clearly several occasions on the live debates were those supporting remain repeatedly accused those of wanting to leave to be uneducated and stupid. Labour have adopted this position with the electorate, and until they change and campaign from a positive position in my opinion I cannot envisage them getting enough seats to form the Government of the UK.

I have always tended to be a Labour voter, but I definitely would not vote Labour if I considered the Leader and party corrupt and morally bankrupt however good my con student MP was.

In fact I did just that during the Blair term after the Iraq debacle.

Nothing would persuade me that he deserved office after what took place.

I will always vote for a government of integrity and honesty.

If I was a Tory voter I would consider that there was sufficient evidence both in this country and reading world wide opinion and information to be very sure that the Johnson government is corrupt and fraudulent.

That should read

Constituent MP

I am not, as I have said, a Labour Party member and nor do I look at them without quite wide criticism but please quote where "Labour" have called the electorate uneducated and stupid? I do not believe that has happened - those words seem to come out of the mouths of declared and offended Tories, generally. I have never seen them elsewhere. I do not think that is a truth although it suits avid Tories to say it is, apparently.

If no one votes Labour because a single member of the public says something to offend no one would vote Tory ever again having read GN where some set out to offend rather than discuss on each and every thread they join.

Above in reply to GG13.

Whitewavemark2

I have always tended to be a Labour voter, but I definitely would not vote Labour if I considered the Leader and party corrupt and morally bankrupt however good my con student MP was.

In fact I did just that during the Blair term after the Iraq debacle.

Nothing would persuade me that he deserved office after what took place.

I will always vote for a government of integrity and honesty.

If I was a Tory voter I would consider that there was sufficient evidence both in this country and reading world wide opinion and information to be very sure that the Johnson government is corrupt and fraudulent.

If they are found to be corrupt and fraudulent and are dealt the appropriate consequences, then one hopes at the next election we shall be voting for a totally different cohort of Conservative MP’s.

If not I shall be politically homeless as there is nothing Mr.Starmer has said or done so far for me to want to vote Labour.

On the other hand never say never, we may get a local Labour Candidate who appeals and gets to know his/her would be constituents?

I have a good constituency MP,

I do hope, GG13, that your constituency MP isn't the one that is threatening local voters with government neglect if they return a Labour council>

MaizieD

^I have a good constituency MP,^

I do hope, GG13, that your constituency MP isn't the one that is threatening local voters with government neglect if they return a Labour council>

No it’s not David, (but we have known him for many years, and we were surprised)

Mind you MaizieD the High St. in question is a total disgrace.

The town suffers from multiple problems, no idea what the solution is either, as the areas either side are clean, tidy and friendly.

MerylStreep

I will be voting conservative tomorrow. The only reason being: to try and stop planning permission to build on beautiful green belt land.

Well, good luck with that, Meryl

www.planningresource.co.uk/article/1714496/jenrick-allows-675-home-appeal-removes-recommended-climate-emergency-conditions

Not the full article as it's paywalled but I think there's enough there to get the drift